No, I’m not saying “if it didn’t work for ingive it can’t be any good”. There are of course other kinds of evidence and many of them are better. It just happens that you don’t have those either, and in the absence of anything resembling objective evidence the usual fallback of the evangelist is their own personal experience—but you don’t have even that.
(You keep talking about neuroimaging studies. Are you claiming that there are neuroimaging studies that show that this “clicking” thing (1) can be achieved by the methods claimed and (2) is beneficial? I’d be awfully surprised if so. I can’t escape the feeling that you are just repeating those words because they sound impressively scientifical and you are hoping your audience will be impressed. There are probably places where that works, but I wouldn’t expect it to be terribly successful around here.)
It’s important to not destroy the world with your arguments.
I haven’t destroyed the world yet. I shall continue trying not to.
No, I’m not saying “if it didn’t work for ingive it can’t be any good”. There are of course other kinds of evidence and many of them are better. It just happens that you don’t have those either, and in the absence of anything resembling objective evidence the usual fallback of the evangelist is their own personal experience—but you don’t have even that.
It sounds so funny to me that you’re comparing me to an evangelist, shall I call you the same? gjm the evangelist preaching he is not religious to something, such as comfort, family or social validation How you feel about it, I feel the same. Regarding the absence of objective evidence, no it’s not a matter of evidence, it’s a matter how much evidence you require. I can give you all the evidence in the world and you’ll still not convert, because it’s subjective. I don’t need more evidence based on my own knowledge and experience, however, that does not rule out the pursuit of evidence or falsifying. Takes time, money, etc. Might as well gather the low hanging fruit and if a few high IQ people convert without adequate proof, it’ll be faster to either falsify or prove depending on themselves.
(You keep talking about neuroimaging studies. Are you claiming that there are neuroimaging studies that show that this “clicking” thing (1) can be achieved by the methods claimed and (2) is beneficial? I’d be awfully surprised if so. I can’t escape the feeling that you are just repeating those words because they sound impressively scientifical and you are hoping your audience will be impressed. There are probably places where that works, but I wouldn’t expect it to be terribly successful around here.)
Indeed I do sir. (1) Unfortunately, it costs a lot to do studies, also neuroimaging. (2) How does neuroimaging tell you whether something is beneficial or not, you can note the correlations of brain activity (or lack thereof)? I would be posting it all over the place if that was the case and everyone would be clicking left and right. Now I just post the exercise all over the place but no one wants to click.
I’m repeating those words because that’s the as-objective-of-a-measurement I think you can get. In the context of my post however, I do not exclude what I know of it when it comes to religion, religious and/or mystical experiences, and especially reward activation and reward systems of abstract concepts in for example the orbitofrontal cortex. When it comes to if it’s worthwhile to try the exercise or not, or discuss it with others. I’m glad you asked. There is a reason why people go to chuch, because they are rewaaarded. Why not be rewarded by positive expected value tasks? (“there is a lack of evidence”) you say. Yet how did churchgoers attach their reward centers to prayer in the first place? Or how does the brain and behavior even work? If you figure that out. You’ll realize pretty soon by emotionally submitting yourself to your true creator, the consistent patterns that bring us about, for example, mathematics, you’ll have what you wanted and you’ll see it everywhere.
No, I’m not saying “if it didn’t work for ingive it can’t be any good”. There are of course other kinds of evidence and many of them are better. It just happens that you don’t have those either, and in the absence of anything resembling objective evidence the usual fallback of the evangelist is their own personal experience—but you don’t have even that.
(You keep talking about neuroimaging studies. Are you claiming that there are neuroimaging studies that show that this “clicking” thing (1) can be achieved by the methods claimed and (2) is beneficial? I’d be awfully surprised if so. I can’t escape the feeling that you are just repeating those words because they sound impressively scientifical and you are hoping your audience will be impressed. There are probably places where that works, but I wouldn’t expect it to be terribly successful around here.)
I haven’t destroyed the world yet. I shall continue trying not to.
It sounds so funny to me that you’re comparing me to an evangelist, shall I call you the same? gjm the evangelist preaching he is not religious to something, such as comfort, family or social validation How you feel about it, I feel the same. Regarding the absence of objective evidence, no it’s not a matter of evidence, it’s a matter how much evidence you require. I can give you all the evidence in the world and you’ll still not convert, because it’s subjective. I don’t need more evidence based on my own knowledge and experience, however, that does not rule out the pursuit of evidence or falsifying. Takes time, money, etc. Might as well gather the low hanging fruit and if a few high IQ people convert without adequate proof, it’ll be faster to either falsify or prove depending on themselves.
Indeed I do sir. (1) Unfortunately, it costs a lot to do studies, also neuroimaging. (2) How does neuroimaging tell you whether something is beneficial or not, you can note the correlations of brain activity (or lack thereof)? I would be posting it all over the place if that was the case and everyone would be clicking left and right. Now I just post the exercise all over the place but no one wants to click.
I’m repeating those words because that’s the as-objective-of-a-measurement I think you can get. In the context of my post however, I do not exclude what I know of it when it comes to religion, religious and/or mystical experiences, and especially reward activation and reward systems of abstract concepts in for example the orbitofrontal cortex. When it comes to if it’s worthwhile to try the exercise or not, or discuss it with others. I’m glad you asked. There is a reason why people go to chuch, because they are rewaaarded. Why not be rewarded by positive expected value tasks? (“there is a lack of evidence”) you say. Yet how did churchgoers attach their reward centers to prayer in the first place? Or how does the brain and behavior even work? If you figure that out. You’ll realize pretty soon by emotionally submitting yourself to your true creator, the consistent patterns that bring us about, for example, mathematics, you’ll have what you wanted and you’ll see it everywhere.