Assistant Village Idiot, I sympathise with your desire to go over the old talking points again. I like to do that sort of thing myself sometimes. Like, I’ll find people to argue with about Kerry and the swiftboating. I didn’t like Kerry that much, he just turned into the only alternative to the Bush ongoing disaster, but he didn’t deserve what he got from the Swiftboat liars who certainly didn’t deserve nearly the media attention they got after their first lie was exposed. But the truth is, it’s a dead issue. The swiftboat liars won and Kerry lost, and arguing it out now is mostly a waste of time.
We have no obligation to go over your talking points about how invading iraq and spending a trillion or so dollars to kill a million or so iraqis for no particular result was not actually a mistake. If we were to argue it with you we would be giving the impression that it was debatable, that there are two sides that could be valid, that you might perhaps have a point. But the fact is, your side lost that debate. You tried to argue with the facts and you lost. Get over it.
Eliezer was using a generally-known situation to illustrate his point. If you think that in this generally-known situation the public is wrong and we ought to listen to you and realise that you’re right and the consensus is wrong, OK, good luck. I was facing exactly that situation after 9/11 and I lost hands down.
So when I don’t tell you that you’re a dirty neocon traitor, and if you want to talk that way you don’t deserve to live in america and you ought to go somewhere the people are like you and want to destroy america the way you do, it’s because I’m a nice guy and I don’t play it hardball the way your guys did after 9/11. But that isn’t something you are owed. If people treat you better than you treated them when the tables were turned, it’s because they happen to be better people than you.
Assistant Village Idiot, I sympathise with your desire to go over the old talking points again. I like to do that sort of thing myself sometimes. Like, I’ll find people to argue with about Kerry and the swiftboating. I didn’t like Kerry that much, he just turned into the only alternative to the Bush ongoing disaster, but he didn’t deserve what he got from the Swiftboat liars who certainly didn’t deserve nearly the media attention they got after their first lie was exposed. But the truth is, it’s a dead issue. The swiftboat liars won and Kerry lost, and arguing it out now is mostly a waste of time.
We have no obligation to go over your talking points about how invading iraq and spending a trillion or so dollars to kill a million or so iraqis for no particular result was not actually a mistake. If we were to argue it with you we would be giving the impression that it was debatable, that there are two sides that could be valid, that you might perhaps have a point. But the fact is, your side lost that debate. You tried to argue with the facts and you lost. Get over it.
Eliezer was using a generally-known situation to illustrate his point. If you think that in this generally-known situation the public is wrong and we ought to listen to you and realise that you’re right and the consensus is wrong, OK, good luck. I was facing exactly that situation after 9/11 and I lost hands down.
So when I don’t tell you that you’re a dirty neocon traitor, and if you want to talk that way you don’t deserve to live in america and you ought to go somewhere the people are like you and want to destroy america the way you do, it’s because I’m a nice guy and I don’t play it hardball the way your guys did after 9/11. But that isn’t something you are owed. If people treat you better than you treated them when the tables were turned, it’s because they happen to be better people than you.