Hm… your new student seems like an interesting person to talk to. Mind asking if he’d be interested in a chat with someone else his age?
I’ve sent you his Discord information via PM. (After obtaining permission, of course.)
Say with a straight face that student loans help the economy, and the power of social cognition will make it so.
XD
Yep. In a debate competition, you can win with arguments that are obviously untrue to anyone who knows what you’re talking about, which is why I’m much less interested in traditional debate these days. (Not to discourage you, of course. The dark arts are useful.) When teaching Socratic dialogues, the first thing I have to teach is “Don’t give arguments you don’t actually believe in.”
There’s lots of tricks I use to get around this in real life (mostly betting face, since betting money only works for facts), but they’re not allowed in a debate tournament.
I’ve sent you his Discord information via PM. (After obtaining permission, of course.
Thank you very much! I think I’ll enjoy the chat. Just sent him the friend request. Oh, and, my discord is the same as my lesswrong btw.
Yep. In a debate competition, you can win with arguments that are obviously untrue to anyone who knows what you’re talking about
YES! Hahhahahaa… it’s quite dumb. The information you can reasonably convey in 4 minutes is so short that even when your case is common sense it’s hard to actually prove your point. I can bring up a variety of commonsense and economic arguments for why student loan forgiveness inflates prices, but my opponents can basically just say ‘nu-uh’ the entire debate, citing some random article saying it… somehow creates 1.2 million jobs? I sometimes wish I could just throw a book at them and say ‘read the damn research!’
But then, I should talk, I’m equally guilty. On the affirmative side I decided to all in on an emotional appeal to the starving children of bankrupt parents, and when my opponents brought up the obvious objection (rising tuition prices due to overcharge) I decided to sneakily claim that forgiveness wasn’t an actual subsidy and thus doesn’t allow the government to read prices. I also told the judge, verbatim, that my opponents were ‘misrepresenting their own evidence’ by claiming that forgiveness as a subsidy. I even invited the judge to examine the evidence himself, saying that it was on our side (it wasn’t). Seeming reasonable won us that debate, even though I most definitely was not being reasonable.
“The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
But hey, is fine. This is debate, and the only crime is to lose. We went undefeated again. Long live the dark arts!
I’ve sent you his Discord information via PM. (After obtaining permission, of course.)
XD
Yep. In a debate competition, you can win with arguments that are obviously untrue to anyone who knows what you’re talking about, which is why I’m much less interested in traditional debate these days. (Not to discourage you, of course. The dark arts are useful.) When teaching Socratic dialogues, the first thing I have to teach is “Don’t give arguments you don’t actually believe in.”
There’s lots of tricks I use to get around this in real life (mostly betting face, since betting money only works for facts), but they’re not allowed in a debate tournament.
Thank you very much! I think I’ll enjoy the chat. Just sent him the friend request. Oh, and, my discord is the same as my lesswrong btw.
YES! Hahhahahaa… it’s quite dumb. The information you can reasonably convey in 4 minutes is so short that even when your case is common sense it’s hard to actually prove your point. I can bring up a variety of commonsense and economic arguments for why student loan forgiveness inflates prices, but my opponents can basically just say ‘nu-uh’ the entire debate, citing some random article saying it… somehow creates 1.2 million jobs? I sometimes wish I could just throw a book at them and say ‘read the damn research!’
But then, I should talk, I’m equally guilty. On the affirmative side I decided to all in on an emotional appeal to the starving children of bankrupt parents, and when my opponents brought up the obvious objection (rising tuition prices due to overcharge) I decided to sneakily claim that forgiveness wasn’t an actual subsidy and thus doesn’t allow the government to read prices. I also told the judge, verbatim, that my opponents were ‘misrepresenting their own evidence’ by claiming that forgiveness as a subsidy. I even invited the judge to examine the evidence himself, saying that it was on our side (it wasn’t). Seeming reasonable won us that debate, even though I most definitely was not being reasonable.
“The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
But hey, is fine. This is debate, and the only crime is to lose. We went undefeated again. Long live the dark arts!