I don’t care and I’m somewhat outraged at this distortion of reasoning. It is so obviously bad and yet remains common and is all too seldom refuted.
Sorry, exactly what is it that you’re outraged about? Eugene seemed to merely be pointing out that people inside particular social groups might see things differently than people outside them, with the outsiders being creeped out and insiders not being that. More specifically, that things that we deem okay might come off as creepy to outsiders. That seems correct to me.
Sorry, exactly what is it that you’re outraged about?
As a general policy:
All cases where non-sequitur but technically true claims are made where the actual implied rhetorical meaning is fallacious. Human social instincts are such that most otherwise intelligent humans seem to be particularly vulnerable to this form of persuasion.
All arguments or insinuations of the form “Hitler, Osama Bin Laden and/or cultists do . Therefore, if you say that is ok then you are Bad.”
Additional outrage, disdain or contempt applies when:
The non-sequitur’s are, through either high social skill or (as in this case) plain luck, well calibrated to persuade the audience despite being bullshit.
Actual negative consequences can be expected to result from the epistemic damage perpetrated.
All cases where non-sequitur but technically true claims are made where the actual implied rhetorical meaning is fallacious. Human social instincts are such that most otherwise intelligent humans seem to be particularly vulnerable to this form of persuasion.
In my experience nearly all accusations that someone is being “emotionally abusive” are of this type.
In my experience nearly all accusations that someone is being “emotionally abusive” are of this type.
If that is true then you are fortunate to have lived such a sheltered existence. If it is not true (and to some extent even if it is) then I expect being exposed to this kind of denial and accusation of dishonesty to be rather damaging to those who are actual victims of the phenonemon you claim is ‘nearly all’ fallacious accusation.
If that is true then you are fortunate to have lived such a sheltered existence.
I could say the same thing about you if you’ve never encountered people willing to make false accusations of abuse (frequently on behalf of children) with the force of the law, or at least child services behind them.
If it is not true (and to some extent even if it is) then I expect being exposed to this kind of denial and accusation of dishonesty to be rather damaging to those who are actual victims of the phenonemon you claim is ‘nearly all’ fallacious accusation.
This is as good a summery of the “how dare you urge restraint” position as any I’ve heard.
Sorry, exactly what is it that you’re outraged about? Eugene seemed to merely be pointing out that people inside particular social groups might see things differently than people outside them, with the outsiders being creeped out and insiders not being that. More specifically, that things that we deem okay might come off as creepy to outsiders. That seems correct to me.
As a general policy:
All cases where non-sequitur but technically true claims are made where the actual implied rhetorical meaning is fallacious. Human social instincts are such that most otherwise intelligent humans seem to be particularly vulnerable to this form of persuasion.
All arguments or insinuations of the form “Hitler, Osama Bin Laden and/or cultists do . Therefore, if you say that is ok then you are Bad.”
Additional outrage, disdain or contempt applies when:
The non-sequitur’s are, through either high social skill or (as in this case) plain luck, well calibrated to persuade the audience despite being bullshit.
Actual negative consequences can be expected to result from the epistemic damage perpetrated.
Thanks, that sounds reasonable. I didn’t interpret Eugene’s comments as being guilty of any of those, though.
In my experience nearly all accusations that someone is being “emotionally abusive” are of this type.
If that is true then you are fortunate to have lived such a sheltered existence. If it is not true (and to some extent even if it is) then I expect being exposed to this kind of denial and accusation of dishonesty to be rather damaging to those who are actual victims of the phenonemon you claim is ‘nearly all’ fallacious accusation.
I could say the same thing about you if you’ve never encountered people willing to make false accusations of abuse (frequently on behalf of children) with the force of the law, or at least child services behind them.
This is as good a summery of the “how dare you urge restraint” position as any I’ve heard.