This is an aside, but related: there is an awesome website dedicated to investigating and uncovering fraud and vice within the Martial Arts world: Bullshido. Participants post about questionable doings (such as masters who claim to teach or use ki) and visit those schools to report on the fraud. It also has areas for regular Martial Arts chat, but this sub-forum is the one that primarily focuses on investigations.
This, then, is an incomplete outline to an answer to your question: due diligence and active pursuit of those who fraudulently represent “arts of rationality.” If there were a series of Dojos of the Bayesian Sect, those dojos would be responsible for exposing the Thousand Schools of False Ways. It would ever be an ongoing battle. Just as the members of Bullshido are constantly encountering and exposing “McDojos” that claim to teach practical self-defense techniques that would, in reality, probably just get you killed or kids’ grappling schools taught by instructors with sex assault convictions.
I was going to link to this but you beat me to it. One of the things Bullshido tends to believe and uphold is this concept of “aliveness”. It can be thought of as a sort of loose guide to “empiricism/rationality as it applies to physical activities”.
I do BJJ and, as I see people here already know, we tend to do a pretty good job keeping our eyes on the ball. Things are handed down from on high, but it is understood by everyone that each person may need to deviate in various ways to make the move work for them and the true test is “can you make it work in rolling?” Experimentation is encouraged, although a common base is pushed very hard.
Generally people try to perform a move right after having practiced it on other people in the group that are aware and expecting the attempts. This in and of itself helps ensure high quality. The theory is that if you can make it work on someone expecting it it will be easier to catch the unaware.
People tend to be quite silly/irrational about fighting—I think, as I see others here do, that it’s because actual feedback and first hand experience is in short supply. “Pure reasoning” leads many into absurdities without a strong empirical base.
This is an aside, but related: there is an awesome website dedicated to investigating and uncovering fraud and vice within the Martial Arts world: Bullshido. Participants post about questionable doings (such as masters who claim to teach or use ki) and visit those schools to report on the fraud. It also has areas for regular Martial Arts chat, but this sub-forum is the one that primarily focuses on investigations.
This, then, is an incomplete outline to an answer to your question: due diligence and active pursuit of those who fraudulently represent “arts of rationality.” If there were a series of Dojos of the Bayesian Sect, those dojos would be responsible for exposing the Thousand Schools of False Ways. It would ever be an ongoing battle. Just as the members of Bullshido are constantly encountering and exposing “McDojos” that claim to teach practical self-defense techniques that would, in reality, probably just get you killed or kids’ grappling schools taught by instructors with sex assault convictions.
Doesn’t seem like an “aside” to me; investigations that look for that sort of simple fraud was something I hadn’t yet thought of.
Well then, here is a proper aside. (Found in this thread.)
I was going to link to this but you beat me to it. One of the things Bullshido tends to believe and uphold is this concept of “aliveness”. It can be thought of as a sort of loose guide to “empiricism/rationality as it applies to physical activities”.
I hate his style but Thornton describes aliveness and came up with the term(although the concept has been around pretty much forever I suppose). http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-aliveness.html
I do BJJ and, as I see people here already know, we tend to do a pretty good job keeping our eyes on the ball. Things are handed down from on high, but it is understood by everyone that each person may need to deviate in various ways to make the move work for them and the true test is “can you make it work in rolling?” Experimentation is encouraged, although a common base is pushed very hard.
Generally people try to perform a move right after having practiced it on other people in the group that are aware and expecting the attempts. This in and of itself helps ensure high quality. The theory is that if you can make it work on someone expecting it it will be easier to catch the unaware.
People tend to be quite silly/irrational about fighting—I think, as I see others here do, that it’s because actual feedback and first hand experience is in short supply. “Pure reasoning” leads many into absurdities without a strong empirical base.