Yes; his criticism was trivially wrong, as could be seen just by looking at posts systematically.
I didn’t think so. Neither did the many posters who publicly endorsed the post.
Actually, I laid out exactly what was wrong with the post: was a good idea which hadn’t been developed anywhere to the extent that it would be worth reading or referring back to, and I gave pointers to the literature he could use to develop it.
Also Lukeprog thought the article you found so clearly deficient worthy of inclusion on his productivity list. Either you are wrong and his article isn’t crap. Or Luke’s standards on what counts as productivity are too low in which case your argument on this criticism of his notion that we aren’t making proper progress is that much weaker.
Also we have different styles of writing. Have you noticed how people are getting bored of Main? Guess what maybe that’s because its becoming a wannabe Academic ghetto dominate with only your style where new posters don’t dare contribute.
it may seem natural to a natural systematizing archiving outlier like you to spend a whole lot of time on your stuff polishing it to perfection, but all this will result in is a whole bunch of a small bag of boring posts of uniformly decent but not extraordinary quality. Isn’t it funny that nearly any old Eliezer sequence post dosen’t live up to such citation heavy, research made explicit standards you set? Such an article would be upvoted by the common poster make no mistake, but l33t busybodies like you would home in on the technicalities.
The reason I told Konk that his contributions were slightly net negative
First of the community obviously disagrees aside from positive comments on his contributions that I could dig up, he has received more karma in the past 30 days than any other single poster and ~7k overall isn’t bad at all. And no this wasn’t due to mass spamming. His average post has like 5 karma or something. Fracking Nerdling on a stick he’s even currently like 50 points ahead of Eliezer HPMOR Yudkowsky who descended down from his throne to write an article answering criticism threatening his funding.
The reason I told Konk that his contributions were slightly net negative—when he specifically asked for my opinion on the matter
If Konkvistador flat out asked you if it would be overall better than the current situation to stop posting at all, and you responded with a yes, then you either lack a social brain, because the right answer is not “yes” but “no, but you should work harder on improving.” especially since he apparently hero worships you.
I suggested he simply develop his ideas better and post less; Konk was the one who decided that he should leave/take a long break, saying that he had a lot of academic work coming up as well.
Have you heard about “saving face”? There is probably an added language and cultural barrier, misunderstandings are common even with those superficially well versed in English.
Also you dark artsily referring to him as “Konk” with faux affection to manipulate the crowd dosen’t impress me.
I read your comment, and I downvoted you because it was rude towards gwern, calling him a “damn robot”.
And I’m one of the guys that urged Konkvistador to stay, in a comment above. That doesn’t excuse your rudeness. So you get properly downvoted by me (and gwern got upvoted because I like that he spoke up and declared he was the “top poster” in question and also gave a clear explanation of his reasons).
That konkvistador gave gwern’s criticism more weight than he should isn’t gwern’s fault, it’s konkvistador’s.
Also Lukeprog thought the article you found so clearly deficient worthy of inclusion on his productivity list. Either you are wrong and his article isn’t crap. Or Luke’s standards on what counts as productivity are too low in which case your argument on this criticism of his notion that we aren’t making proper progress is that much weaker.
Yeah, maybe. Other possibilities include being ironic: if he objects to his inclusion on the list...
Also we have different styles of writing. Have you noticed how people are getting bored of Main? Guess what maybe that’s because its becoming a wannabe Academic ghetto dominate with only your style where new posters don’t dare contribute. it may seem natural to a natural systematizing archiving outlier like you to spend a whole lot of time on your stuff polishing it to perfection, but all this will result in is a whole bunch of a small bag of boring posts of uniformly decent but not extraordinary quality. Isn’t it funny that nearly any old Eliezer sequence post dosen’t live up to such citation heavy, research made explicit standards you set? Such an article would be upvoted by the common poster make no mistake, but l33t busybodies like you would home in on the technicalities.
People are getting bored of Main because the best contributors like Yvain or Eliezer have other things to do, and the standard topics are hard to go over again without either repetition or going into depth beyond most readers. It happens: wells run dry or the material becomes too advanced. And everyone else isn’t stepping up the plate. So, things become less interesting.
I don’t criticize the posts because Eliezer uses cites all the time in the sequences, and where he isn’t, I often know the citations anyway from past discussions on SL4, standard transhumanist reading materials, the old SIAI Bookshelf, book & paper recommendations, etc.
Also you dark artsily referring to him as “Konk” with faux affection to manipulate the crowd dosen’t impress me.
I’m glad that you were able to explain why I and other chatters in #lesswrong sometimes called him by that shortcut: we were just manipulating the IRC crowd.
like they pulled with K and Roko?
Good grief. Maybe I should just put up IRC logs for the past few days so people can see for themselves what was said...
Yeah, maybe. Other possibilities include being ironic: if he objects to his inclusion on the list...
That’s not very nice. Apparently LW is big on being nice. See I’m learning.
I’m glad that you were able to explain why I and other chatters in #lesswrong sometimes called him by that shortcut: we were just manipulating the IRC crowd.
This is the first time I heard about this conversation occurring on IRC. Ok so I’m assuming Konk is a nick people use for him over there. But why use it on LW in this context? Come now, you where trying to communicate “oh look I’m socially near to him”.
I don’t criticize the posts because Eliezer uses cites all the time in the sequences, and where he isn’t, I often know the citations anyway from past discussions on SL4, standard transhumanist reading materials, the old SIAI Bookshelf, book & paper recommendations, etc.
You aren’t always the intended audience. Criticism from the perspective of those unfamiliar with Yudkwosky’s arguments are more valuable don’t you agree? The point of the sequences is to bring people up to speed.
It’s both clever and a dilemma which teaches a relevant point; it may not be nice, but that doesn’t matter.
This is the first time I heard about this conversation occurring on IRC.
Does it matter that it was IRC as opposed to a separate forum website? If it does matter, then perhaps you were jumping to conclusions in interpreting ‘off-site’...
You aren’t always the intended audience. Criticism from the perspective of those unfamiliar with Yudkwosky’s arguments are needed.
Sure. But that’s by definition criticism I am unable to give and an audience I am not in. Am I to be blamed for preferring the material I learn more from?
I didn’t think so. Neither did the many posters who publicly endorsed the post.
Also Lukeprog thought the article you found so clearly deficient worthy of inclusion on his productivity list. Either you are wrong and his article isn’t crap. Or Luke’s standards on what counts as productivity are too low in which case your argument on this criticism of his notion that we aren’t making proper progress is that much weaker.
Also we have different styles of writing. Have you noticed how people are getting bored of Main? Guess what maybe that’s because its becoming a wannabe Academic ghetto dominate with only your style where new posters don’t dare contribute.
it may seem natural to a natural systematizing archiving outlier like you to spend a whole lot of time on your stuff polishing it to perfection, but all this will result in is a whole bunch of a small bag of boring posts of uniformly decent but not extraordinary quality. Isn’t it funny that nearly any old Eliezer sequence post dosen’t live up to such citation heavy, research made explicit standards you set? Such an article would be upvoted by the common poster make no mistake, but l33t busybodies like you would home in on the technicalities.
First of the community obviously disagrees aside from positive comments on his contributions that I could dig up, he has received more karma in the past 30 days than any other single poster and ~7k overall isn’t bad at all. And no this wasn’t due to mass spamming. His average post has like 5 karma or something. Fracking Nerdling on a stick he’s even currently like 50 points ahead of Eliezer HPMOR Yudkowsky who descended down from his throne to write an article answering criticism threatening his funding.
If Konkvistador flat out asked you if it would be overall better than the current situation to stop posting at all, and you responded with a yes, then you either lack a social brain, because the right answer is not “yes” but “no, but you should work harder on improving.” especially since he apparently hero worships you.
Have you heard about “saving face”? There is probably an added language and cultural barrier, misunderstandings are common even with those superficially well versed in English.
Also you dark artsily referring to him as “Konk” with faux affection to manipulate the crowd dosen’t impress me.
Edit:
2nd Edit: Toned it down.
I read your comment, and I downvoted you because it was rude towards gwern, calling him a “damn robot”. And I’m one of the guys that urged Konkvistador to stay, in a comment above. That doesn’t excuse your rudeness. So you get properly downvoted by me (and gwern got upvoted because I like that he spoke up and declared he was the “top poster” in question and also gave a clear explanation of his reasons).
That konkvistador gave gwern’s criticism more weight than he should isn’t gwern’s fault, it’s konkvistador’s.
I guess you are right ok I’ll edit away the “damn robot” part. My points however haven’t been addressed.
I have no expectations at all. But I believe that your stated goals closely match your actual goals—and swearing doesn’t advance your stated goals.
Yeah, maybe. Other possibilities include being ironic: if he objects to his inclusion on the list...
People are getting bored of Main because the best contributors like Yvain or Eliezer have other things to do, and the standard topics are hard to go over again without either repetition or going into depth beyond most readers. It happens: wells run dry or the material becomes too advanced. And everyone else isn’t stepping up the plate. So, things become less interesting.
I don’t criticize the posts because Eliezer uses cites all the time in the sequences, and where he isn’t, I often know the citations anyway from past discussions on SL4, standard transhumanist reading materials, the old SIAI Bookshelf, book & paper recommendations, etc.
I’m glad that you were able to explain why I and other chatters in
#lesswrongsometimes called him by that shortcut: we were just manipulating the IRC crowd.Good grief. Maybe I should just put up IRC logs for the past few days so people can see for themselves what was said...
That’s not very nice. Apparently LW is big on being nice. See I’m learning.
This is the first time I heard about this conversation occurring on IRC. Ok so I’m assuming Konk is a nick people use for him over there. But why use it on LW in this context? Come now, you where trying to communicate “oh look I’m socially near to him”.
You aren’t always the intended audience. Criticism from the perspective of those unfamiliar with Yudkwosky’s arguments are more valuable don’t you agree? The point of the sequences is to bring people up to speed.
It’s both clever and a dilemma which teaches a relevant point; it may not be nice, but that doesn’t matter.
Does it matter that it was IRC as opposed to a separate forum website? If it does matter, then perhaps you were jumping to conclusions in interpreting ‘off-site’...
Sure. But that’s by definition criticism I am unable to give and an audience I am not in. Am I to be blamed for preferring the material I learn more from?