My downvote here is not for TAG holding the hypothesis that the rationalist/LW bubble might be bad in various ways (this is an inoffensive hypothesis to hold, in my culture) but rather for its method of sly insinuation that tries to score a point without sticking its neck out and making a clear and falsifiable claim.
If I can be shown that I’ve misread TAG, I’ll remove the downvote.
Yeah, seems right to me. I would be interested in a concrete argument here, but it feels like the above could be said about any group, and it doesn’t present me with any additional information or arguments. I can imagine TAG having a good critique here and would be interested in hearing it, but the above didn’t do it for me.
I just re-read the OP looking for something that I’d possibly describe as “sly insinuations about the PR industry”, and I couldn’t find any. What I read in it was a bunch of straight-forward claims about what the concept of PR tends to cause in people who use it, and some as-far-as-I-can-tell-completely-honest attempts to gesture at intuitions about how that works and why. Can you give an example of something in the OP that seems to you like it contains a sly insinuation about the PR industry?
What I read in it was a bunch of straight-forward claims about what the concept of PR tends to cause
What I didn’t read was support for those claims. Well, maybe “PR bad” is a thing everyone knows..but maybe “ingroups can get delusional about their moral purity” is something everyone knows.
My downvote here is not for TAG holding the hypothesis that the rationalist/LW bubble might be bad in various ways (this is an inoffensive hypothesis to hold, in my culture) but rather for its method of sly insinuation that tries to score a point without sticking its neck out and making a clear and falsifiable claim.
If I can be shown that I’ve misread TAG, I’ll remove the downvote.
Yeah, seems right to me. I would be interested in a concrete argument here, but it feels like the above could be said about any group, and it doesn’t present me with any additional information or arguments. I can imagine TAG having a good critique here and would be interested in hearing it, but the above didn’t do it for me.
It was. Feeling that your in-group deals in The Truth is the default.
I think it would be fairer to downvote the OP for making sly insinuations about the PR industry.
I just re-read the OP looking for something that I’d possibly describe as “sly insinuations about the PR industry”, and I couldn’t find any. What I read in it was a bunch of straight-forward claims about what the concept of PR tends to cause in people who use it, and some as-far-as-I-can-tell-completely-honest attempts to gesture at intuitions about how that works and why. Can you give an example of something in the OP that seems to you like it contains a sly insinuation about the PR industry?
What I didn’t read was support for those claims. Well, maybe “PR bad” is a thing everyone knows..but maybe “ingroups can get delusional about their moral purity” is something everyone knows.
Hm. For the record, I find this thought to be worth chewing on, so thank you.