“Spontaneously” is your problem. It’s like creationists saying monkeys don’t spontaneously turn into humans. I don’t know if consciousness is real and if it reduces to known matter or not, but I do know that human intuition is very anti-reductionist; Anything it doesn’t understand, it likes to treat as an atomic blackbox.
That’s fair. However, if you share the intuition that consciousness being emergent is extremely implausible, then going from there directly to illusionsism means only comparing it to the (for you) weakest alternative. And that seems like the relevant step for people in this thread other than you.
I don’t at all share that intuition. My intuition is that consciousness being emergent is both extremely plausible, and increasingly likely as system complexity increases. This intuition also makes consciousness approximately as “real” as “puppies” and “social media”. All three are emergent phenomena, arising from a very small and basic set of primitives.
“Spontaneously” is your problem. It’s like creationists saying monkeys don’t spontaneously turn into humans. I don’t know if consciousness is real and if it reduces to known matter or not, but I do know that human intuition is very anti-reductionist; Anything it doesn’t understand, it likes to treat as an atomic blackbox.
That’s fair. However, if you share the intuition that consciousness being emergent is extremely implausible, then going from there directly to illusionsism means only comparing it to the (for you) weakest alternative. And that seems like the relevant step for people in this thread other than you.
I don’t at all share that intuition. My intuition is that consciousness being emergent is both extremely plausible, and increasingly likely as system complexity increases. This intuition also makes consciousness approximately as “real” as “puppies” and “social media”. All three are emergent phenomena, arising from a very small and basic set of primitives.