So, if we agree that “Arnold” mostly does win on fair and square scientific grounds (and keeping in mind that our “inner caveman’s” movement repertoire included lifting heavy objects, heavy gripping, squatting, and climbing in addition to high-intensity-interval cardio)
...doesn’t that mean we can do X-ball, frisbee type sports for cardio purposes, but still need gym/body-weight training to maintain hunter-gatherer levels of mobility, bone density, and strength assuming we have desk jobs? Or make new sports and dabble in “sports” like gymnastics and weightlifting? (Quotes on “sports” because while those are sports with a social cooperate-compete structure, they also basically boil down to a series of workouts).
My motivation for (attempting to) work out is mostly having a functional body for as long as possible. Taking up, say, fencing is fun and probably great for the heart, but without additional strength and mobility work will I still be able to comfortably kneel to the floor and get up again when I’m 70? Am I going to be able to avoid the common weakened core lower back pain issues?
(I prefer keeping discipline requirements to a minimum as well, so I’m generally in fervent agreement with the bigger idea … it’s just that if we agree that cardio is insufficient alone, doesn’t that mean that most sports are also insufficient alone?)
...doesn’t that mean we can do X-ball, frisbee type sports for cardio purposes, but still need gym/body-weight training to maintain hunter-gatherer levels of mobility, bone density, and strength assuming we have desk jobs?
If we are fat and beginners, not. My point is that if a fat and weak person throws big hammy arms around with the frisbee, he or she gains quites some muscle. In the longer run, when it became a habit, yes, but that is a different story, I am trying to help people who never start or start and stop, not those who reliably do it and want to improve further.
Funny anecdote: I have seen some people in Eastern Europe call this half-seriously as “peasant body building”, claiming that former peasant cultures really had this idea that be fat, because then you will almost automatically be strong in those circumstances. Because working all day in the fields is low-intensity cardio, with moving large hammy arms and carrying a heavy body around that actually builds strength, and then he can carry sacks of grain.
Of course I am not telling anyone to be fat. I am just telling if we are already fat that frisbee-type fun stuff is muscle-building in the beginning.
So, if we agree that “Arnold” mostly does win on fair and square scientific grounds (and keeping in mind that our “inner caveman’s” movement repertoire included lifting heavy objects, heavy gripping, squatting, and climbing in addition to high-intensity-interval cardio)
...doesn’t that mean we can do X-ball, frisbee type sports for cardio purposes, but still need gym/body-weight training to maintain hunter-gatherer levels of mobility, bone density, and strength assuming we have desk jobs? Or make new sports and dabble in “sports” like gymnastics and weightlifting? (Quotes on “sports” because while those are sports with a social cooperate-compete structure, they also basically boil down to a series of workouts).
My motivation for (attempting to) work out is mostly having a functional body for as long as possible. Taking up, say, fencing is fun and probably great for the heart, but without additional strength and mobility work will I still be able to comfortably kneel to the floor and get up again when I’m 70? Am I going to be able to avoid the common weakened core lower back pain issues?
(I prefer keeping discipline requirements to a minimum as well, so I’m generally in fervent agreement with the bigger idea … it’s just that if we agree that cardio is insufficient alone, doesn’t that mean that most sports are also insufficient alone?)
If we are fat and beginners, not. My point is that if a fat and weak person throws big hammy arms around with the frisbee, he or she gains quites some muscle. In the longer run, when it became a habit, yes, but that is a different story, I am trying to help people who never start or start and stop, not those who reliably do it and want to improve further.
Funny anecdote: I have seen some people in Eastern Europe call this half-seriously as “peasant body building”, claiming that former peasant cultures really had this idea that be fat, because then you will almost automatically be strong in those circumstances. Because working all day in the fields is low-intensity cardio, with moving large hammy arms and carrying a heavy body around that actually builds strength, and then he can carry sacks of grain.
Of course I am not telling anyone to be fat. I am just telling if we are already fat that frisbee-type fun stuff is muscle-building in the beginning.