OK. Would you care to help me understand correctly, or are you more interested in telling me how stupid I am?
And you still haven’t double checked your definition of ideal. Are you sure its correct?
There is no possible modification I could make to my definition of “ideal” that would make any difference to my understanding of your use of the phrase “ideal money”. I have already explained this twice.
Ya you are a smart person [...] you are a clever arguer aren’t you?
If you would like to make some actual arguments rather than sneering at me then I am happy to discuss things.
It is the reason, and you would call it grossly misleading.
At this point, I simply do not believe you when you say it is the reason. Not because I think you are lying; but it doesn’t look to me as if you are thinking clearly at any time when your opinions or actions are being challenged.
Let’s find the significance of Nash’s work, and then it will be obvious the mod moderated me because of their own (admitted) ignorance.
In the absence of more information about what the moderator said, no possible information about the significance of Nash’s work could bring that about.
So are stuck in trying to win arguments which is the root reason why you haven’t even heard of the main body of work that Nash was working on nearly his whole life.
Er, what? No, I haven’t (more accurately, hadn’t) heard of it because no one mentioned it to me before. Is that difficult to understand?
Nash is being ignored here, the most significance work he has produced nobody here even knows existed
Nash is not being ignored here. “Ideal money” has not been a topic of conversation here before, so far as I can recall. If your evidence that Nash is “ignored” here is that we have not been talking about “ideal money”, you should consider two other hypotheses: (1) that the LW community is interested in Nash but not in “ideal money” and (2) that the LW community is interested in Nash but happens not to have come across “ideal money” before. I think #2 is probably the actual explanation, however preposterous you may find it that anyone would read anything about Nash and not know about your pet topic.
(I think I already mentioned that Nasar’s book about Nash doesn’t see fit to mention “ideal money” in its index. It’s a popular biography rather than an academic study, and the index may not perfectly reflect the text, but I think this is sufficient to show that it’s possible for a reasonable person to look quite deeply at Nash’s life and not come to the conclusion that “ideal money” is “the main body of work that Nash was working on nearly his whole life”.)
The person who removed your earlier post has already explained that what he was actually saying about Hayek was not “Hayek is better than Nash” but “please don’t think I’m removing this because I dislike the ideas; I am a fan of Hayek and these ideas of Nash’s resemble Hayek’s”. This is more or less the exact opposite of your characterization of what happened.
OK. Would you care to help me understand correctly, or are you more interested in telling me how stupid I am?
There is no possible modification I could make to my definition of “ideal” that would make any difference to my understanding of your use of the phrase “ideal money”. I have already explained this twice.
Existing merely as an image in the mind:
An ideal is a concept or standard of perfection, existing merely as an image in the mind, or based upon a person or upon conduct: We admire the high ideals of a religious person
I think you erred saying there is no possible modification.
Er, what? No, I haven’t (more accurately, hadn’t) heard of it because no one mentioned it to me before. Is that difficult to understand?
Yes and you are going to suggest we are not ignoring Nash, but we are.
Nash is not being ignored here. “Ideal money” has not been a topic of conversation here before, so far as I can recall. If your evidence that Nash is “ignored” here is that we have not been talking about “ideal money”, you should consider two other hypotheses: (1) that the LW community is interested in Nash but not in “ideal money” and (2) that the LW community is interested in Nash but happens not to have come across “ideal money” before. I think #2 is probably the actual explanation, however preposterous you may find it that anyone would read anything about Nash and not know about your pet topic.
Yes and in the future everyone is going to laugh at you all for claiming and pretending to be smart, and pretending to honor Nash, when the reality is, Nash spanked you all.
(I think I already mentioned that Nasar’s book about Nash doesn’t see fit to mention “ideal money” in its index. It’s a popular biography rather than an academic study, and the index may not perfectly reflect the text, but I think this is sufficient to show that it’s possible for a reasonable person to look quite deeply at Nash’s life and not come to the conclusion that “ideal money” is “the main body of work that Nash was working on nearly his whole life”.)
Yup she ignored his life’s work, his greatest passion, and if you watch his interviews he thinks its hilarious.
The person who removed your earlier post has already explained that what he was actually saying about Hayek was not “Hayek is better than Nash” but “please don’t think I’m removing this because I dislike the ideas; I am a fan of Hayek and these ideas of Nash’s resemble Hayek’s”. This is more or less the exact opposite of your characterization of what happened.
No, it will be shown they thought it was an inconsequential move because they felt Nash’s Ideal Money was insignificant. It was a subjective play.
I think you erred saying there is no possible modification.
Nope. But if you tell me that when you say “ideal money” you mean “a system of money that is ideal in the sense of existing merely as an image in the mind”, why then I will adjust my understanding of how you use the phrase. Note that this doesn’t involve any change at all in my general understanding of the word “ideal”, which I already knew sometimes has the particular sense you mention (and sometimes has other senses); what you have told me is how you are using it in this particular compound term.
In any case, this is quite different from how Nash uses the term. If you read his article in the Southern Economic Journal, you will see things like this, in the abstract:
I present [...] a specific proposal about how a system or systems of “ideal money” might be established and employed
(so he is thinking of this as something that can actual happen, not something that by definition exists merely as an image in the mind). Similarly, later on,
the possibilities with regard to actually establishing a norm of money systems that could qualify as “ideal” are dependent on the political circumstances of the world.
(so, again, he is thinking of such systems as potentially actualizable) and, a couple of paragraphs later,
We of Terra could be taught how to have ideal monetary systems if wise and benevolent extraterrestrials were to take us in hand and administer our national money systems [...]
(so he says explicitly it could actually happen if we had the right guidance; note also that he here envisages ideal monetary systems, plural, suggesting that in this instance he isn’t claiming that there’s one true set of value ratios that will necessarily be reached). In between those last two he refers to
“good” or “ideal” money
so he clearly has in mind (not necessarily exclusively) a quite different meaning of “ideal”, namely “perfect” or “flawless”.
you are going to suggest we are not ignoring Nash, but we are.
It doesn’t look much like that for me.
in the future everyone is going to laugh at you all
In the future everyone will have forgotten us all, most likely.
for claiming and pretending to be smart
Do please show me where I either claimed or pretended to be smart. (If you ask my opinion of my intelligence I will tell you, but no such thing has come up in this discussion and I don’t see any reason why it should. If my arguments are good, it doesn’t matter if I’m generally stupid; if my arguments are bad, it doesn’t matter if I’m generally clever.)
she ignored his life’s work, his greatest passion
So far, you have presented no evidence at all that this is a reasonable description. Would you care to remedy that? In any case, what’s relevant right now is not whether “ideal money” was Nash’s greatest passion, but whether it should have been obvious to us that it was (since you are taking the absence of earlier discussion of “ideal money” as indication that LW has been ignoring Nash). And, however hilarious Nash may or may not have found it, I repeat that the fact that a reasonable person writing a fairly lengthy biography of Nash didn’t make a big deal of “ideal money” is strong evidence that other people may reasonably think likewise. Even if we are wrong.
OK. Would you care to help me understand correctly, or are you more interested in telling me how stupid I am?
There is no possible modification I could make to my definition of “ideal” that would make any difference to my understanding of your use of the phrase “ideal money”. I have already explained this twice.
If you would like to make some actual arguments rather than sneering at me then I am happy to discuss things.
At this point, I simply do not believe you when you say it is the reason. Not because I think you are lying; but it doesn’t look to me as if you are thinking clearly at any time when your opinions or actions are being challenged.
In the absence of more information about what the moderator said, no possible information about the significance of Nash’s work could bring that about.
Er, what? No, I haven’t (more accurately, hadn’t) heard of it because no one mentioned it to me before. Is that difficult to understand?
Nash is not being ignored here. “Ideal money” has not been a topic of conversation here before, so far as I can recall. If your evidence that Nash is “ignored” here is that we have not been talking about “ideal money”, you should consider two other hypotheses: (1) that the LW community is interested in Nash but not in “ideal money” and (2) that the LW community is interested in Nash but happens not to have come across “ideal money” before. I think #2 is probably the actual explanation, however preposterous you may find it that anyone would read anything about Nash and not know about your pet topic.
(I think I already mentioned that Nasar’s book about Nash doesn’t see fit to mention “ideal money” in its index. It’s a popular biography rather than an academic study, and the index may not perfectly reflect the text, but I think this is sufficient to show that it’s possible for a reasonable person to look quite deeply at Nash’s life and not come to the conclusion that “ideal money” is “the main body of work that Nash was working on nearly his whole life”.)
The person who removed your earlier post has already explained that what he was actually saying about Hayek was not “Hayek is better than Nash” but “please don’t think I’m removing this because I dislike the ideas; I am a fan of Hayek and these ideas of Nash’s resemble Hayek’s”. This is more or less the exact opposite of your characterization of what happened.
Existing merely as an image in the mind:
I think you erred saying there is no possible modification.
Yes and you are going to suggest we are not ignoring Nash, but we are.
Yes and in the future everyone is going to laugh at you all for claiming and pretending to be smart, and pretending to honor Nash, when the reality is, Nash spanked you all.
Yup she ignored his life’s work, his greatest passion, and if you watch his interviews he thinks its hilarious.
No, it will be shown they thought it was an inconsequential move because they felt Nash’s Ideal Money was insignificant. It was a subjective play.
Nope. But if you tell me that when you say “ideal money” you mean “a system of money that is ideal in the sense of existing merely as an image in the mind”, why then I will adjust my understanding of how you use the phrase. Note that this doesn’t involve any change at all in my general understanding of the word “ideal”, which I already knew sometimes has the particular sense you mention (and sometimes has other senses); what you have told me is how you are using it in this particular compound term.
In any case, this is quite different from how Nash uses the term. If you read his article in the Southern Economic Journal, you will see things like this, in the abstract:
(so he is thinking of this as something that can actual happen, not something that by definition exists merely as an image in the mind). Similarly, later on,
(so, again, he is thinking of such systems as potentially actualizable) and, a couple of paragraphs later,
(so he says explicitly it could actually happen if we had the right guidance; note also that he here envisages ideal monetary systems, plural, suggesting that in this instance he isn’t claiming that there’s one true set of value ratios that will necessarily be reached). In between those last two he refers to
so he clearly has in mind (not necessarily exclusively) a quite different meaning of “ideal”, namely “perfect” or “flawless”.
It doesn’t look much like that for me.
In the future everyone will have forgotten us all, most likely.
Do please show me where I either claimed or pretended to be smart. (If you ask my opinion of my intelligence I will tell you, but no such thing has come up in this discussion and I don’t see any reason why it should. If my arguments are good, it doesn’t matter if I’m generally stupid; if my arguments are bad, it doesn’t matter if I’m generally clever.)
So far, you have presented no evidence at all that this is a reasonable description. Would you care to remedy that? In any case, what’s relevant right now is not whether “ideal money” was Nash’s greatest passion, but whether it should have been obvious to us that it was (since you are taking the absence of earlier discussion of “ideal money” as indication that LW has been ignoring Nash). And, however hilarious Nash may or may not have found it, I repeat that the fact that a reasonable person writing a fairly lengthy biography of Nash didn’t make a big deal of “ideal money” is strong evidence that other people may reasonably think likewise. Even if we are wrong.