It’s 6 hours, i think, regardless of the chain of time-turners)
And given the 6-hour limitation, all you have to posit is a 6-hour ritual for creating the time turner before it’s useable. presto, no going back to before the time-turner was created.
...but the BIG time machine in the ministry may or may not comply with the constraints of the smaller time turners.
lastly, the 6-hour limitation itself… seems more like a way to premptively prevent a harry vs. quirremort TIME WAR than anything else.
Has it been established that, in addition to never being able to retreat more than 6 hours using any combination of !time turners, you cannot use more than one !time turner to travel back to the same hour repeatedly? I see many munchkin ways to abuse either possibility (one being to use multiple time-turners to be in an arbitrary number of places at the same time, and the other to take a tick back multiple times and then plant it on the opponent.
yes, it has. when harry was trying to stun Moody, moody asked harry if “are you going to give up, or do you think you’re going to win?”
Harry replied that he was on his last copy because he had used up his remaining hours studying. although...hang on, is it 6 or 7?
Anyways. Eliezer nerfed the time-turner precicely to prevent Harry from utterly totally munckinning it. “prevent or limit timetravel-based gamibt SPAM” and all that.
come to think of it, it might not be a full-blown limitation…
But “time does not like being stretched”. Even if it IS possible to squeeze one extra hour in by using a second time turner, it’s not a good idea. (side effects may include insanity, extremely-rapid aging (more so than living 8 extra hours in a day would lead you to expect), and dizziness.)
Ok, I went and found Where the quote came from. chapter 17...
“Because it’s pretty impressive if you’re doing all that on just thirty hours a day.”
There was another slight pause, [snip]
“I’m afraid Time doesn’t like being stretched out too much”
I think this is more a case of Dumbledore using anthropic shorthand than actual anthropic reasoning. He seems to have...(ooh, here’s a randomish theory: Dumbledore accidentally(?) performed a ritual that sacrificed a few pieces of his overall sanity in order to protect himself against dangerous time-travel related phenomena..)
Now where was I?...
Oh yeah. So that very much looks like extra time-clones MIGHT be possible with standard time-turners, but it is NOT a good idea.
Now, the Big Time Turner in the ministry (The one which had the ever hatching/un-hatching egg) probably COULD give you time-clone armies, laser-guided peggy-sues, and possibly even “change time” (whatever that means), but it is probably even more dangerous to use-you’d basically have to create your own reference frame, or else understand the real rules of Time.
But...maybe, just maybe: The BTT+philosophers stone+resurrection stone...
It’s 6 hours, i think, regardless of the chain of time-turners)
And given the 6-hour limitation, all you have to posit is a 6-hour ritual for creating the time turner before it’s useable. presto, no going back to before the time-turner was created.
...but the BIG time machine in the ministry may or may not comply with the constraints of the smaller time turners. lastly, the 6-hour limitation itself… seems more like a way to premptively prevent a harry vs. quirremort TIME WAR than anything else.
Has it been established that, in addition to never being able to retreat more than 6 hours using any combination of !time turners, you cannot use more than one !time turner to travel back to the same hour repeatedly? I see many munchkin ways to abuse either possibility (one being to use multiple time-turners to be in an arbitrary number of places at the same time, and the other to take a tick back multiple times and then plant it on the opponent.
yes, it has. when harry was trying to stun Moody, moody asked harry if “are you going to give up, or do you think you’re going to win?” Harry replied that he was on his last copy because he had used up his remaining hours studying.
although...hang on, is it 6 or 7?
Anyways. Eliezer nerfed the time-turner precicely to prevent Harry from utterly totally munckinning it. “prevent or limit timetravel-based gamibt SPAM” and all that.
Is that an inherent limit, or simply the result of !Harry having access to only one time turner?
come to think of it, it might not be a full-blown limitation… But “time does not like being stretched”. Even if it IS possible to squeeze one extra hour in by using a second time turner, it’s not a good idea. (side effects may include insanity, extremely-rapid aging (more so than living 8 extra hours in a day would lead you to expect), and dizziness.)
If time is anthopic enough to like things in a literal sense, it can be bargained with. That might be the principle of operation of the time-turners.
If time can be bargained with, a rationalist who embraces a decision theory that one-boxes when the boxes are transparent has a lot of leverage.
Ok, I went and found Where the quote came from. chapter 17...
“Because it’s pretty impressive if you’re doing all that on just thirty hours a day.” There was another slight pause, [snip] “I’m afraid Time doesn’t like being stretched out too much”
I think this is more a case of Dumbledore using anthropic shorthand than actual anthropic reasoning. He seems to have...(ooh, here’s a randomish theory: Dumbledore accidentally(?) performed a ritual that sacrificed a few pieces of his overall sanity in order to protect himself against dangerous time-travel related phenomena..)
Now where was I?...
Oh yeah. So that very much looks like extra time-clones MIGHT be possible with standard time-turners, but it is NOT a good idea.
Now, the Big Time Turner in the ministry (The one which had the ever hatching/un-hatching egg) probably COULD give you time-clone armies, laser-guided peggy-sues, and possibly even “change time” (whatever that means), but it is probably even more dangerous to use-you’d basically have to create your own reference frame, or else understand the real rules of Time.
But...maybe, just maybe: The BTT+philosophers stone+resurrection stone...