Doing no sport isn’t good. It helps to develop a healthy body. I would however prefer methologies like Feldenkrais or Martial Arts over the standard school curriculum.
Most of the negatives that you list have to do with the way that your parents chose the books. If your parents wouldn’t have been fundamental Christians they could have given you much better books.
My younger siblings did end up in some sort of group homeschool PE class. My mom tried a few things before finding that, which apparently was nice. I put it in the “pro” category only because I think I would have really hated PE. I wouldn’t say my life was completely devoid of physical activity, just probably less than average.
If your parents wouldn’t have been fundamental Christians they could have given you much better books.
Agree, but it’s my understanding that most homeschoolers do so for religious reasons. I trust the average LWer to do a lot better on this score than the average christian.
Doing no sport isn’t good, but doing no PE can be good, given that a possible consequence of PE is that you learn to hate sport and end up doing even less of it than you would have otherwise.
It would be good to have some officially recommened (not mandatory, just offered as a standard solution) list of textbooks for homeschooling, preferably free online. So everyone who would want to know what they are missing, could just read the textbooks. Also it would be helpful for parents that avoid schools for reasons other than disagreeing with the curriculum.
Perhaps one day Khan Academy or someone similar will make it. (On the other hand, one day the fundamentalists will have their own alternative version, probably called Jesus Academy.)
It would be good to have some officially recommened (not mandatory, just offered as a standard solution) list of textbooks for homeschooling, preferably free online.
Several fundamentalist christian groups do exactly that, except for the free online part. Makes indocrina—er, teaching easy for people. My mom mixed and matched and mostly evaded the worst stuff everywhere except science.
Martial arts are good for getting some people who aren’t interested in usual team sports to enjoy being active, but they’re also very bad at getting many people who do enjoy more standard activities to be active. This brings to mind Yvain’s experience teaching, where he found that the most effective methods to getting to most students were exactly the ones he’d found boring as a kid.
I’ve never participated in a Feldenkrais session, but looking it up, it doesn’t strike me as something most students would be enthusiastic about either.
My issue isn’t so much with methods of teaching as with content.
I don’t think that there any reason that justifies teaching a kid to jump as wide or as high as possible. The same goes for activities like shot putting. If you optimize your jumb for distance you aren’t optimizing it for using your body in a way that prevents you from hurting your back.
A goal of present sport eduction is to train children to be good at the Olympic activities. I object to that goal.
As far as team sports go they aren’t as bad but I still don’t think they are optimzed to teach useful life skills.
A goal of present sport eduction is to train children to be good at the Olympic activities. I object to that goal.
Not in theory. If you ask school administrators or state education officials, they’re more likely to tell you that it’s about teaching kids discipline, teamwork, getting in shape and so on. In practice, kids’ sports have become increasingly specialized and competitive, with parents investing huge amounts of time and money into their kids’ training, and sports injuries, especially overuse injuries which were almost unheard of in child athletes a few decades ago, have shot up dramatically.
It’s hard to restructure kids’ sports programs to better address the purposes they’re nominally geared towards though, because the sports activities are strongly driven by parents who want to see their kids compete.
Not in theory. If you ask school administrators or state education officials, they’re more likely to tell you that it’s about teaching kids discipline, teamwork, getting in shape and so on.
Getting kids to do broad jumps doesn’t seem to me to maximize either discipline, teamwork or getting in shape.
Schools should just cut out the whole track and field athletics business.
If you want kids to do basketball, I have no problem. Let them compete in basketball. The sport was created in the late 19th century by a physical education professor who thought a bit to create a good team sport.
While we are at a topic, there are also team sports created in the 20th cenutry. Underater hockey seems like a good candidate for a sport that provides benefits.
Getting kids to do broad jumps doesn’t seem to me to maximize either discipline, teamwork or getting in shape. Schools should just cut out the whole track and field athletics business.
Track and field does do quite a lot to get students in shape; most of the fittest students I knew in high school were track athletes. And it certainly requires considerable discipline.
A large part of the trouble with changing the athletic curriculum though, is that the people who’re most in need of basic, safe athletic training to improve their fitness are those who, along with their parents, are least involved in the current system. The people who participate in the system, who have the most power to shape it, are mostly sports practitioners, coaches and enthusiasts, for whom the bottom line is already written.
The people who participate in the system, who have the most power to shape it, are mostly sports practitioners, coaches and enthusiasts, for whom the bottom line is already written.
Not completely. If you go as an adult to a gym they might give you crossfit which is a modern system. They are not likely to tell you to do broad jumps.
Gyms make money by catering to what the clients want. School gyms don’t care what the clients want, because the clients are a captive audience. School gyms give kids what the parents and coaches want for the kids.
Suppose that instead of paying to go to the gym voluntarily, all adults were made to go to the gym, and all adult competitive sports practitioners were selected from among gym attendees and encouraged to get into sports based on their gym performance. Gym activities would tend to become highly sports oriented, even if the nominal reason for mandatory gym attendance was to promote fitness.
Doing no sport isn’t good. It helps to develop a healthy body. I would however prefer methologies like Feldenkrais or Martial Arts over the standard school curriculum.
Most of the negatives that you list have to do with the way that your parents chose the books. If your parents wouldn’t have been fundamental Christians they could have given you much better books.
My younger siblings did end up in some sort of group homeschool PE class. My mom tried a few things before finding that, which apparently was nice. I put it in the “pro” category only because I think I would have really hated PE. I wouldn’t say my life was completely devoid of physical activity, just probably less than average.
Agree, but it’s my understanding that most homeschoolers do so for religious reasons. I trust the average LWer to do a lot better on this score than the average christian.
Doing no sport isn’t good, but doing no PE can be good, given that a possible consequence of PE is that you learn to hate sport and end up doing even less of it than you would have otherwise.
My first skim of this made me think I was reading and advertisement for Dapoxetine. Perhaps it’s been too long since I’ve been in highschool...
It would be good to have some officially recommened (not mandatory, just offered as a standard solution) list of textbooks for homeschooling, preferably free online. So everyone who would want to know what they are missing, could just read the textbooks. Also it would be helpful for parents that avoid schools for reasons other than disagreeing with the curriculum.
Perhaps one day Khan Academy or someone similar will make it. (On the other hand, one day the fundamentalists will have their own alternative version, probably called Jesus Academy.)
Several fundamentalist christian groups do exactly that, except for the free online part. Makes indocrina—er, teaching easy for people. My mom mixed and matched and mostly evaded the worst stuff everywhere except science.
Martial arts are good for getting some people who aren’t interested in usual team sports to enjoy being active, but they’re also very bad at getting many people who do enjoy more standard activities to be active. This brings to mind Yvain’s experience teaching, where he found that the most effective methods to getting to most students were exactly the ones he’d found boring as a kid.
I’ve never participated in a Feldenkrais session, but looking it up, it doesn’t strike me as something most students would be enthusiastic about either.
My issue isn’t so much with methods of teaching as with content.
I don’t think that there any reason that justifies teaching a kid to jump as wide or as high as possible. The same goes for activities like shot putting. If you optimize your jumb for distance you aren’t optimizing it for using your body in a way that prevents you from hurting your back.
A goal of present sport eduction is to train children to be good at the Olympic activities. I object to that goal.
As far as team sports go they aren’t as bad but I still don’t think they are optimzed to teach useful life skills.
Not in theory. If you ask school administrators or state education officials, they’re more likely to tell you that it’s about teaching kids discipline, teamwork, getting in shape and so on. In practice, kids’ sports have become increasingly specialized and competitive, with parents investing huge amounts of time and money into their kids’ training, and sports injuries, especially overuse injuries which were almost unheard of in child athletes a few decades ago, have shot up dramatically.
It’s hard to restructure kids’ sports programs to better address the purposes they’re nominally geared towards though, because the sports activities are strongly driven by parents who want to see their kids compete.
Getting kids to do broad jumps doesn’t seem to me to maximize either discipline, teamwork or getting in shape. Schools should just cut out the whole track and field athletics business.
If you want kids to do basketball, I have no problem. Let them compete in basketball. The sport was created in the late 19th century by a physical education professor who thought a bit to create a good team sport.
While we are at a topic, there are also team sports created in the 20th cenutry. Underater hockey seems like a good candidate for a sport that provides benefits.
Track and field does do quite a lot to get students in shape; most of the fittest students I knew in high school were track athletes. And it certainly requires considerable discipline.
A large part of the trouble with changing the athletic curriculum though, is that the people who’re most in need of basic, safe athletic training to improve their fitness are those who, along with their parents, are least involved in the current system. The people who participate in the system, who have the most power to shape it, are mostly sports practitioners, coaches and enthusiasts, for whom the bottom line is already written.
Not completely. If you go as an adult to a gym they might give you crossfit which is a modern system. They are not likely to tell you to do broad jumps.
Gyms make money by catering to what the clients want. School gyms don’t care what the clients want, because the clients are a captive audience. School gyms give kids what the parents and coaches want for the kids.
Suppose that instead of paying to go to the gym voluntarily, all adults were made to go to the gym, and all adult competitive sports practitioners were selected from among gym attendees and encouraged to get into sports based on their gym performance. Gym activities would tend to become highly sports oriented, even if the nominal reason for mandatory gym attendance was to promote fitness.