Perhaps. I would not have identified that post as associated with “neoreaction” back in 2009, but maybe that’s just my lack of awareness. Admittedly, I read Lesswrong a lot more than I did Overcoming Bias, so I might have missed it if it started out in OB.
In hindsight it does seem linked, but Race and Sex portions of NRx were their own Things before they were NRx Things. In my mind it’s only within the past 2-3 years that they’ve joined up with Moldbug’s ideas and formed this whole Dark Enlightenment trilogy. (I mean, it might have happened earlier, but it wasn’t mainstream on places like, say, Reddit. We had PUA and HBD back then, but we didn’t have TheRedPill). Hanson taking a weird stance on gender issues wouldn’t have made me thing “Oh, that’s the NRx side”.
I don’t want to move the goal-posts and you did provide an example which was counter to my impression. I was really talking about the overall picture though—the impression of someone who was unaware of NRx and not sharply looking with a political eye, the top contributors, the general content of threads...but i get that it’s not really easy to provide evidence for what a “trend” is without actually doing work, so this probably won’t be settled.
Perhaps. I would not have identified that post as associated with “neoreaction” back in 2009, but maybe that’s just my lack of awareness. Admittedly, I read Lesswrong a lot more than I did Overcoming Bias, so I might have missed it if it started out in OB.
In hindsight it does seem linked, but Race and Sex portions of NRx were their own Things before they were NRx Things. In my mind it’s only within the past 2-3 years that they’ve joined up with Moldbug’s ideas and formed this whole Dark Enlightenment trilogy. (I mean, it might have happened earlier, but it wasn’t mainstream on places like, say, Reddit. We had PUA and HBD back then, but we didn’t have TheRedPill). Hanson taking a weird stance on gender issues wouldn’t have made me thing “Oh, that’s the NRx side”.
I don’t want to move the goal-posts and you did provide an example which was counter to my impression. I was really talking about the overall picture though—the impression of someone who was unaware of NRx and not sharply looking with a political eye, the top contributors, the general content of threads...but i get that it’s not really easy to provide evidence for what a “trend” is without actually doing work, so this probably won’t be settled.