Klein not only is incapable of passing the IDW’s Ideological Turing Test, but he also seems unaware of the fact that someone can fail to pass his own. The only way I can imagine this happening is that Klein is so absorbed in his ideology that he can’t fathom other minds being different.
Even for an article dedicated to bashing the outgroup, this is a particularly ironic passage.
I read this comment five times and I have no idea what you mean. Does “an article” refer to this one, and the irony is that I’m too absorbed in my own ideology? If so, what am I missing: the fact that Klein can pass the IDW’s ITT, or the irrelevance of ITTs to the subject, or something else?
“Article” refers to your post, the irony is that you are accusing Klein of being unable to imagine other minds working in different ways, because you are unable to imagine his mind working in any different way.
In the paragraph directly before the one I quoted, you pointed out that it’s silly for SJWs to assume that everyone thinks in terms of identity, race, gender, etc. But the blind spot that you’re accusing Klein of is one which implicitly assumes that he thinks in terms of ITTs, tribes which are distinct from ideologies, etc. Klein’s framework leads him to make a slightly dubious statement about unbridegeable divides. Your framework leads you to badly strawman his statement and throw around ad hominem attacks.
I don’t think this is particularly worth arguing about, since I predict it’ll become an argument about the post as a whole. In hindsight, I shouldn’t have given in to the temptation to post a snarky comment. I did so because I consider the quoted paragraph (and the one above it) both rude and incorrect, a particularly irksome combination. As a more meta note, if culture war posts are accepted on Less Wrong, I think we should strongly encourage them to have a much more civil tone.
But the blind spot that you’re accusing Klein of is one which implicitly assumes that he thinks in terms of ITTs, tribes which are distinct from ideologies, etc.
Oh, wow. The main point I tried to get across is in fact that Klein *doesn’t* think in terms of ITTs and ideology-is-not-movement, and that’s why he’s led into thinking that Rubin is a reactionary. My fault here isn’t falling into my own trap (which the last two paragraphs explicitly address), but unclear writing.
Even for an article dedicated to bashing the outgroup, this is a particularly ironic passage.
I read this comment five times and I have no idea what you mean. Does “an article” refer to this one, and the irony is that I’m too absorbed in my own ideology? If so, what am I missing: the fact that Klein can pass the IDW’s ITT, or the irrelevance of ITTs to the subject, or something else?
“Article” refers to your post, the irony is that you are accusing Klein of being unable to imagine other minds working in different ways, because you are unable to imagine his mind working in any different way.
In the paragraph directly before the one I quoted, you pointed out that it’s silly for SJWs to assume that everyone thinks in terms of identity, race, gender, etc. But the blind spot that you’re accusing Klein of is one which implicitly assumes that he thinks in terms of ITTs, tribes which are distinct from ideologies, etc. Klein’s framework leads him to make a slightly dubious statement about unbridegeable divides. Your framework leads you to badly strawman his statement and throw around ad hominem attacks.
I don’t think this is particularly worth arguing about, since I predict it’ll become an argument about the post as a whole. In hindsight, I shouldn’t have given in to the temptation to post a snarky comment. I did so because I consider the quoted paragraph (and the one above it) both rude and incorrect, a particularly irksome combination. As a more meta note, if culture war posts are accepted on Less Wrong, I think we should strongly encourage them to have a much more civil tone.
Oh, wow. The main point I tried to get across is in fact that Klein *doesn’t* think in terms of ITTs and ideology-is-not-movement, and that’s why he’s led into thinking that Rubin is a reactionary. My fault here isn’t falling into my own trap (which the last two paragraphs explicitly address), but unclear writing.