A note on indignation: although it’s a greasy social psychology point, indignation isn’t the correct response unless it is a community norm.
Leaving aside semantics around “correct,” I agree that getting indignant over X when most people around me think X is unobjectionable often has results I don’t want.
That said, sometimes things become community norms as a consequence of the expressed indignation of individuals and the community’s willingness to align with those individuals.
Predicting when that second result is likely is easy to get wrong. Sometimes it’s worthwhile just to try and see.
Yes. I feel that is an extension on my parenthetical about the other interpretation of correct response—that it could lead to changing the environment.
Predicting when that second result is likely is easy to get wrong.
I’d like to put it down in writing somewhere that I predict a community norm of using nongendered speech, at least on the level of the norm of “read the Sequences”, to be fully formed and applied by six months from now.
By nongendered to you mean ve, ver, vis? Conditional prediction: If there is a move away from “he,she,etc.” I predict “they/them/their” will dominate.
By nongendered speech, I mean speech that does not indicate male or female gender. So they/them/their, ve/ver/vis, ey, or any other gender-neutral pronouns. It also includes my preferred way of avoiding gendered speech—you, the poster, and using the poster’s name. Yes, it’s fairly broad :P
I totally endorse that, and I’m pretty good about it myself (at least, I think I am), but I’d be very surprised if it ever became a reliable LW community norm.
Leaving aside semantics around “correct,” I agree that getting indignant over X when most people around me think X is unobjectionable often has results I don’t want.
That said, sometimes things become community norms as a consequence of the expressed indignation of individuals and the community’s willingness to align with those individuals.
Predicting when that second result is likely is easy to get wrong. Sometimes it’s worthwhile just to try and see.
Yes. I feel that is an extension on my parenthetical about the other interpretation of correct response—that it could lead to changing the environment.
I’d like to put it down in writing somewhere that I predict a community norm of using nongendered speech, at least on the level of the norm of “read the Sequences”, to be fully formed and applied by six months from now.
By nongendered to you mean ve, ver, vis? Conditional prediction: If there is a move away from “he,she,etc.” I predict “they/them/their” will dominate.
By nongendered speech, I mean speech that does not indicate male or female gender. So they/them/their, ve/ver/vis, ey, or any other gender-neutral pronouns. It also includes my preferred way of avoiding gendered speech—you, the poster, and using the poster’s name. Yes, it’s fairly broad :P
Huh. Confidence interval?
I totally endorse that, and I’m pretty good about it myself (at least, I think I am), but I’d be very surprised if it ever became a reliable LW community norm.
It’s pretty uncalibrated but let’s say 90% confidence interval of 2 months to 2 years.
Upvoted for being willing to put numbers to it. I’ll never remember to come back and check, though.