You’re not really arguing that he doesn’t train except for the Rasengan. You’re arguing that he does train, but that training works better for him than for other people because of his unearned advantages, so his training doesn’t really count
No. I’m arguing that the things he trains at are not the things that make him successful. Even if he trained much less, he would still achieve all the same outcomes due to his unique unearned untrained powers. He succeeds because he’s a privileged magical shonen protagonist, not because he’s training rigorously.
Even if he trained much less, he would still achieve all the same outcomes due to his unique unearned untrained powers.
I don’t believe this. Using your own example, he got senjutsu, and trained for a few months to get good at it. Without that training, would he have had the same outcome? (Remember that shadow clone acts as a training multiplier, but the multiplier doesn’t do any good if there is zero training to multiply.) Without training to use the kyuubi’s chakra (another example of yours), would he have achieved the same outcome?
(Edit: I’m not sure he was able to use shadow clone with senjutsu, so ignore that if it doesn’t apply.)
I said “if he trained much less”, not “if he didn’t train at all”. For senjutsu and the Kyuubi’s chakra he had to train less than others who did it before him, and achieved better results than some of them did. For the other things on my list, he didn’t need to train at all.
My list was supposed to show that his skills tend to follow my analysis, not that all them do so perfectly. I still think it’s a good generalization.
No. I’m arguing that the things he trains at are not the things that make him successful. Even if he trained much less, he would still achieve all the same outcomes due to his unique unearned untrained powers. He succeeds because he’s a privileged magical shonen protagonist, not because he’s training rigorously.
I don’t believe this. Using your own example, he got senjutsu, and trained for a few months to get good at it. Without that training, would he have had the same outcome? (Remember that shadow clone acts as a training multiplier, but the multiplier doesn’t do any good if there is zero training to multiply.) Without training to use the kyuubi’s chakra (another example of yours), would he have achieved the same outcome?
(Edit: I’m not sure he was able to use shadow clone with senjutsu, so ignore that if it doesn’t apply.)
I said “if he trained much less”, not “if he didn’t train at all”. For senjutsu and the Kyuubi’s chakra he had to train less than others who did it before him, and achieved better results than some of them did. For the other things on my list, he didn’t need to train at all.
My list was supposed to show that his skills tend to follow my analysis, not that all them do so perfectly. I still think it’s a good generalization.