Marx argued that a revolution is the only way to create meaningful social change.
Marx argued for a lot of things. The particular thing that I have in mind here is his position that the society consists of two classes—a dispossessed (“alienated”) proletariat and fat-cat capitalists, that these two classes are locked in a struggle, and that the middle class is untenable and is being washed out. This is the framework which your grandparent comment relied on.
The notion of “middle class” is involves having more than two sides. People calling themselves “upper-middle class” is a very American thing to do. In the US ideal a person of middle class is supposed to own his own home and therefore own capital.
Workers do organize in unions and use their collective bargaining power to achieve political ends in the interests of their members. When a union makes a collective labor agreement with industry representatives you do have two clearly defined classes making an agreement with each other.
In the late 19th century a bunch of unions did support the communist ideal of revolution but most of them switched.
Groups like the US Chamber of Commerce do have political power. Money of capitalists funds a bunch of think tanks who do determine a lot of political policy. Do you think that the Chamber of Commerce isn’t representing the interest of a political class of capitalist?
Yes, individual people might opt out of being part of politics. We aren’t like the Greek who punished people by death for not picking political sides.
Lastly, I would point out that I speak about political ideas quite freely and without much of an attachment. It might be that you take a point I’m making overly seriously.
Lastly, I would point out that I speak about political ideas quite freely and without much of an attachment. It might be that you take a point I’m making overly seriously.
Marx argued for a lot of things. The particular thing that I have in mind here is his position that the society consists of two classes—a dispossessed (“alienated”) proletariat and fat-cat capitalists, that these two classes are locked in a struggle, and that the middle class is untenable and is being washed out. This is the framework which your grandparent comment relied on.
It was wrong and is wrong.
I don’t think saying “That is not a prisoner’s dilemma” is a useful way of communicating “those players don’t exist.”
Also, the topic at hand is what do people mean by “fair,” not whether the situations they do or do not call fair are real situations.
The notion of “middle class” is involves having more than two sides. People calling themselves “upper-middle class” is a very American thing to do. In the US ideal a person of middle class is supposed to own his own home and therefore own capital.
Workers do organize in unions and use their collective bargaining power to achieve political ends in the interests of their members. When a union makes a collective labor agreement with industry representatives you do have two clearly defined classes making an agreement with each other.
In the late 19th century a bunch of unions did support the communist ideal of revolution but most of them switched.
Groups like the US Chamber of Commerce do have political power. Money of capitalists funds a bunch of think tanks who do determine a lot of political policy. Do you think that the Chamber of Commerce isn’t representing the interest of a political class of capitalist?
Yes, individual people might opt out of being part of politics. We aren’t like the Greek who punished people by death for not picking political sides.
Lastly, I would point out that I speak about political ideas quite freely and without much of an attachment. It might be that you take a point I’m making overly seriously.
Ah. OK then.