Yours is the first claim I’ve seen that using “race” to refer to humans is very offensive. Are you hanging out with people who agree with that, and if so, where?
I don’t think I’ve seen “race” applied to animals—“breed” or “subspecies” is what I’m used to?
This seems to be due to kilobug’s self-reported language mistake. “race” in French actually means what “species” means in English, at least in common usage. I recall this as one of many particularly confusing examples for people learning English as a second language in more academic environments.
This is the first time you’ve seen the claim, expressed as follows?
(1) “race” does not divide humanity according to any biologically justifiable criteria, (2) “race” is used to provide a scientific halo effect to justify current social organization
(2) is obviously true—and is morally positive so long as the first assertion is false. (1) is controversial—but I’ve seen it expressed many times on LW and other places.
Offensiveness relies in the implicit premise that use of the halo effect when the underlying science is faulty is itself irrational / socially hurtful. That’s isomorphic to asserting that the “Noble Lie” is immoral—which I thought was the consensus here.
I don’t think I’ve seen “race” applied to animals—“breed” or “subspecies” is what I’m used to?
I agree—I’ve never heard “race” used to categorize animals.
Yours is the first claim I’ve seen that using “race” to refer to humans is very offensive. Are you hanging out with people who agree with that, and if so, where?
I don’t think I’ve seen “race” applied to animals—“breed” or “subspecies” is what I’m used to?
This seems to be due to kilobug’s self-reported language mistake. “race” in French actually means what “species” means in English, at least in common usage. I recall this as one of many particularly confusing examples for people learning English as a second language in more academic environments.
This is the first time you’ve seen the claim, expressed as follows?
(2) is obviously true—and is morally positive so long as the first assertion is false. (1) is controversial—but I’ve seen it expressed many times on LW and other places.
Offensiveness relies in the implicit premise that use of the halo effect when the underlying science is faulty is itself irrational / socially hurtful. That’s isomorphic to asserting that the “Noble Lie” is immoral—which I thought was the consensus here.
I agree—I’ve never heard “race” used to categorize animals.
I’ve seen both (1) and (2), but with a tone of “factually wrong” rather than “very offensive”.
I think “landrace” applies to animals, though.
I have quite a bit, but it tends to be in writings from the 19th century or earlier (Darwin, Spencer, etc...).