I prefer this definition, “a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course; menace”.
This definition seems okay to me.
undue justice
I don’t know how justice can be undue, do you mean like undue or excessive prosecution? or persecution perhaps? thought I don’t think either prosecution or persecution describe anything curi’s done on LW. If you have counterexamples I would appreciate it if you could quote them.
We have substantial disagreements about what constitutes a threat,
Evidently yes, as do dictionaries.
I don’t think the dictionary definitions disagree much. It’s not a substantial disagreement. thesaurus.com seems to agree; it lists them as ~strong synonyms. the crux is retribution vs retaliation, and retaliation is more general. The mafia can threaten shopkeeps with violence if they don’t pay protection. I think retaliation is a better fitting word.
However, this still does not apply to anything curi has done!
I do not think the core disagreement between you and me comes from a failure of me to explain my thoughts clearly enough. I do not believe that elaborating upon my reasoning would get you to change your mind about the core disagreement. Elaborating upon my position would therefore waste both of our time.
The same goes for your position. The many words you have already written have failed to move me. I do not expect even more words to change this pattern.
Curi is being banned for wasting time with long, unproductive conversations. It would be ironic for me to embroil myself in such a conversation as a consequence.
I do not think the core disagreement between you and me comes from a failure of me to explain my thoughts clearly enough.
I don’t either.
The same goes for your position. The many words you have already written have failed to move me. I do not expect even more words to change this pattern.
Sure, we can stop.
Curi is being banned for wasting time with long, unproductive conversations.
I don’t know anywhere I could go to find out that this is a bannable offense. If it is not in a body of rules somewhere, then it should be added. If the mods are unwilling to add it to the rules, he should be unbanned, simple as that.
Maybe that idea is worth discussing? I think it’s reasonable. If something is an offense it should be publicly stated as such and new and continuing users should be able to point to it and say “that’s why”. It shouldn’t feel like it was made up on the fly as a special case—it’s a problem when new rules are invented ad-hoc and not canonicalized (I don’t have a problem with JIT rulebooks, it’s practical).
This definition seems okay to me.
I don’t know how justice can be undue, do you mean like undue or excessive prosecution? or persecution perhaps? thought I don’t think either prosecution or persecution describe anything curi’s done on LW. If you have counterexamples I would appreciate it if you could quote them.
I don’t think the dictionary definitions disagree much. It’s not a substantial disagreement. thesaurus.com seems to agree; it lists them as ~strong synonyms. the crux is retribution vs retaliation, and retaliation is more general. The mafia can threaten shopkeeps with violence if they don’t pay protection. I think retaliation is a better fitting word.
However, this still does not apply to anything curi has done!
I do not think the core disagreement between you and me comes from a failure of me to explain my thoughts clearly enough. I do not believe that elaborating upon my reasoning would get you to change your mind about the core disagreement. Elaborating upon my position would therefore waste both of our time.
The same goes for your position. The many words you have already written have failed to move me. I do not expect even more words to change this pattern.
Curi is being banned for wasting time with long, unproductive conversations. It would be ironic for me to embroil myself in such a conversation as a consequence.
I don’t either.
Sure, we can stop.
I don’t know anywhere I could go to find out that this is a bannable offense. If it is not in a body of rules somewhere, then it should be added. If the mods are unwilling to add it to the rules, he should be unbanned, simple as that.
Maybe that idea is worth discussing? I think it’s reasonable. If something is an offense it should be publicly stated as such and new and continuing users should be able to point to it and say “that’s why”. It shouldn’t feel like it was made up on the fly as a special case—it’s a problem when new rules are invented ad-hoc and not canonicalized (I don’t have a problem with JIT rulebooks, it’s practical).