It seems like that’s the Reddit-clone way of expressing “this person is a permanent bozo, their opinions are worse than noise and even their valid posts serve a dumb agenda”. Reddit has software that fights mass downvoting, but IMO it’s not evidence-free behavior, it ought to be taken into account—I suggest LW forbid it with the threat of a ban, but add a bozo button instead (something Reddit has long resisted). The action of this button could be as simple as knocking off a measured amount of karma.
Either that or instead have it increment a separate “N people have hit the Bozo Button for this user” counter.
Or, if you want it to also (or just) include it having a karma hit… make it actually carry a karma price for the user hitting the button too? ie, “I’m so sure that this user’s a bozo that I am willing to sacrifice karma to say so, confident that I can earn it back far more easily than they can” or something like that? Since IF we wanted a “bozo button”, we’d probably want it to count as something more extreme than simply hitting the downvote arrow. So we might also want to have a price attached to using it. At least, that’s my initial thought here.
Huh? I wasn’t at this point talking about you specifically. I was imagining a general functionality. ie, EVERY user account having a “bozo button” attached.
It didn’t even occur to me that we were considering the possibility of only having such a thing for one specific user. Anyways, to clarify, my comment about it at least was simply some thoughts on how, if we really wanted that sort of functionality, how it ought be done.
Or did I misunderstand the intended meaning of your comment?
Instead, I’ll request that people not upvote the Bozo button, as I am looking for a quorum number of “is a bozo” votes.
I suspected as much, but again I reiterate that a large majority of us want you to stay around; although you disagree with us on some points we find uncontroversial among rationalists, you’re nonetheless intelligent and arguing in good faith, and these things happen. I submit that a Non-Bozo button would get many more votes (including mine) than the above Bozo Button.
Thanks for the Non-Bozo button, which your comment effectively is. Counting yourself, since you couldn’t up-vote your own button, the Non-Bozo and Bozo buttons cancel out with 4 votes each. (At the time of this comment.)
At least one person has voted down orthonormal’s post. I don’t think using the moderation system to measure this sort of thing is going to work; instead, it will attract trolls who don’t really care but want to screw with the system for the hell of it.
(I say stay. Intelligent dissenters are vital to this community, even if their positions turn out to be incorrect, provided they’re argued in good faith.)
It seems like that’s the Reddit-clone way of expressing “this person is a permanent bozo, their opinions are worse than noise and even their valid posts serve a dumb agenda”. Reddit has software that fights mass downvoting, but IMO it’s not evidence-free behavior, it ought to be taken into account—I suggest LW forbid it with the threat of a ban, but add a bozo button instead (something Reddit has long resisted). The action of this button could be as simple as knocking off a measured amount of karma.
Either that or instead have it increment a separate “N people have hit the Bozo Button for this user” counter.
Or, if you want it to also (or just) include it having a karma hit… make it actually carry a karma price for the user hitting the button too? ie, “I’m so sure that this user’s a bozo that I am willing to sacrifice karma to say so, confident that I can earn it back far more easily than they can” or something like that? Since IF we wanted a “bozo button”, we’d probably want it to count as something more extreme than simply hitting the downvote arrow. So we might also want to have a price attached to using it. At least, that’s my initial thought here.
<< Byrnema Bozo Button >>
(downvote if you think Byrnema is a Bozo)
(no upvotes, thanks)
Huh? I wasn’t at this point talking about you specifically. I was imagining a general functionality. ie, EVERY user account having a “bozo button” attached.
It didn’t even occur to me that we were considering the possibility of only having such a thing for one specific user. Anyways, to clarify, my comment about it at least was simply some thoughts on how, if we really wanted that sort of functionality, how it ought be done.
Or did I misunderstand the intended meaning of your comment?
You may also want to post a Byrnema Non-Bozo Button for upvoting, to keep upvotes and downvotes from canceling on the above.
Instead, I’ll request that people not upvote the Bozo button, as I am looking for a quorum number of “is a bozo” votes.
Psy-kosh: It’s OK, I just thought I should have one.
I suspected as much, but again I reiterate that a large majority of us want you to stay around; although you disagree with us on some points we find uncontroversial among rationalists, you’re nonetheless intelligent and arguing in good faith, and these things happen. I submit that a Non-Bozo button would get many more votes (including mine) than the above Bozo Button.
Thanks for the Non-Bozo button, which your comment effectively is. Counting yourself, since you couldn’t up-vote your own button, the Non-Bozo and Bozo buttons cancel out with 4 votes each. (At the time of this comment.)
At least one person has voted down orthonormal’s post. I don’t think using the moderation system to measure this sort of thing is going to work; instead, it will attract trolls who don’t really care but want to screw with the system for the hell of it.
(I say stay. Intelligent dissenters are vital to this community, even if their positions turn out to be incorrect, provided they’re argued in good faith.)