I think pwno is proposing that we do it precisely because it doesn’t align with our convictions. (He might advise Trump supporters to vote for Clinton.)
I’m sure I remember reading, but can’t now find, an anecdote from Eliezer back in the OB days: he was with a group of people at the Western Wall in Jerusalem, where there’s this tradition of writing prayers on pieces of paper and sticking them in cracks in the wall, so as a test of the sincerity of his unbelief he wrote “I pray for my parents to die” and stuck that in the wall. Same principle.
(Personally I think it’s a silly principle. Human brains aren’t very good at detaching themselves from their actions, and I would only cast a vote if I were happy for my preferences to get shifted a little bit towards the candidate I was voting for.)
Oh, very good! I wonder why I thought it was Eliezer. I see that he endorsed the idea, anyway. But I think my objection to it still stands (and is closely related to the one I expressed two comments upthread here).
Isn’t that what rationality is supposed to reduce?
Inter alia, yes. But the step from “rationality is supposed to reduce X” to “I will act as if X has been reduced to negligibility” is not a valid one.
Certainly, as you say, not in all cases. I don’t see any very good reason to think it would be effective in this case. Apparently you do; what’s that reason?
In the case of voting for Trump and writing the note in the Wailing Wall, I think there’s little to no risk of having it change your prior beliefs or weaken your self-deception defense mechanisms. They both require you to be dishonest about something that clashes with so many other strong beliefs that it’s highly unlikely to contaminate your belief system. The more dangerous lies are the ones that don’t clash as much with your other beliefs.
If you value your belief that’s there are no ghost then it’s irrational to be scared by ghosts.
Are you talking about “real” ghosts? You shouldn’t be afraid of real ghosts because they don’t exist, not because you value your belief that there are no ghosts. Why should beliefs have any value for you beyond their accuracy?
I think pwno is proposing that we do it precisely because it doesn’t align with our convictions. (He might advise Trump supporters to vote for Clinton.)
I’m sure I remember reading, but can’t now find, an anecdote from Eliezer back in the OB days: he was with a group of people at the Western Wall in Jerusalem, where there’s this tradition of writing prayers on pieces of paper and sticking them in cracks in the wall, so as a test of the sincerity of his unbelief he wrote “I pray for my parents to die” and stuck that in the wall. Same principle.
(Personally I think it’s a silly principle. Human brains aren’t very good at detaching themselves from their actions, and I would only cast a vote if I were happy for my preferences to get shifted a little bit towards the candidate I was voting for.)
Funny you mention that anecdote because I actually wrote it http://lesswrong.com/lw/1l/the_mystery_of_the_haunted_rationalist/w9
Isn’t that what rationality is supposed to reduce?
Oh, very good! I wonder why I thought it was Eliezer. I see that he endorsed the idea, anyway. But I think my objection to it still stands (and is closely related to the one I expressed two comments upthread here).
Inter alia, yes. But the step from “rationality is supposed to reduce X” to “I will act as if X has been reduced to negligibility” is not a valid one.
Well, isn’t that a good technique to reduce X? Obviously not in all cases, but I think it’s a valid technique in the cases we’re talking about.
Certainly, as you say, not in all cases. I don’t see any very good reason to think it would be effective in this case. Apparently you do; what’s that reason?
In the case of voting for Trump and writing the note in the Wailing Wall, I think there’s little to no risk of having it change your prior beliefs or weaken your self-deception defense mechanisms. They both require you to be dishonest about something that clashes with so many other strong beliefs that it’s highly unlikely to contaminate your belief system. The more dangerous lies are the ones that don’t clash as much with your other beliefs.
No, rationality is about winning. Having certain values isn’t irrational.
If you value your belief that’s there are no ghost then it’s irrational to be scared by ghosts.
The relationship of most of us to democracy is different. We generally do value it and think the rituals of democracy are valuable for our society.
Are you talking about “real” ghosts? You shouldn’t be afraid of real ghosts because they don’t exist, not because you value your belief that there are no ghosts. Why should beliefs have any value for you beyond their accuracy?