I’m a bit surprised not to see Daniel Dennett on the list. Were you trying to highlight lesser-known people, or are there actually issues you have with Dennett?
Also, Michael Bishop is at Florida State, not Florida.
Now, to business:
As soon as I read this, I winced in the knowledge that all of the comments were going to be about Chomsky.
Chomsky’s name appears to be something of a boo light here on Less Wrong. I attribute this to two things:
(1) Chomsky is well known for writing about politics, which we all know is the mind-killer. This is a probably a good reason to be suspicious of him. I have never really bothered to look into the details of his political theories, due to a lack of interest, but I suspect that he may not be wrong so much as not even wrong: political analysis as usually understood is unlikely to be the appropriate level on which to look at the world for the purpose of formulating theories that have a chance of being true. However, the fact remains that while Chomsky is perhaps best popularly known for his political advocacy, it has nothing to do with his place in intellectual history, which rests on his work in linguistics. (It should also be remembered that leftist politics—particularly of a radical variety—serve specific signaling functions in academic circles in contemporary America.)
(2) Misunderstanding of his linguistic and psychological theories and their context—in particular, a notion that Chomsky is “anti-empirical” or some such. This is simply wrong. I suspect this impression mostly results from hearing about Chomsky’s ideas second- and third-hand via less sophisticated commentators. I don’t know to what extent Chomsky’s various technical ideas in linguistics will ultimately prove correct, but I tend to be unimpressed by his critics—it’s as if they haven’t reached the third-level and are stuck on the first.
Ironically (in view of his “anti-empirical” boo-light status), he played a crucial role in establishing some of the most important ideas that we take for granted here regarding the biological nature of our minds and the limitations of introspection, among other things. Behaviorist psychology was wrong, and Chomsky was responsible for its demise. And he’s a critic of postmodernism.
For a general overview of his ideas from the man himself, I recommend this excellent TV interview from the 1970s, which puts them in a philosophical context. (This is just one of a whole series of interviews with various philosophers and historians of philosophy, which can serve as an extremely useful crash course in the subject; here’s Quine, for example.) Some of the things he says are clearly wrong (such as the idea that there’s no hope for using scientific knowledge to improve our brains), but others just as clearly refute certain uninformed misunderstandings of his positions.
Even basic familiarity with Chomsky’s linguistics will confirm that: (a) his linguistics does not involve any empirical data or empirical research and his approach to linguistics is based on expert intuitive judgement of the grammatical correctness of artificial sentences; and (b) he is openly hostile to the role of biological and evolutionary explanations. I think people rush to defend him because he’s a nativist and because he’s widely supposed to have caused the demise of behaviourism. It is, however, possible to be both a nativist and a critic of behaviourism and be wrong about almost everything else.
Let me put it as simply as possible: Chomsky makes a series of claims about language but Chomsky has never done any empirical research, does not rely on empirical data and does not cite empirical research to support his theses. I’ve read much of his published work on the subject and am not using second or third hand sources for these claims. If you can supply counter-evidence I would be interested to see it. It would surely not be difficult to find an example of him using empirical research to back up his claims if that was something he was open to. (Chomsky is fond of biological and scientific analogies, as you can see in the video posted, but that’s another matter entirely.) Failing that, what, exactly, sets him apart from the philosophers who rely on intuition and thought experiments and have no time for empirical results that are widely (and rightly) criticised on Less Wrong?
I’m a bit surprised not to see Daniel Dennett on the list. Were you trying to highlight lesser-known people, or are there actually issues you have with Dennett?
Also, Michael Bishop is at Florida State, not Florida.
Now, to business:
As soon as I read this, I winced in the knowledge that all of the comments were going to be about Chomsky.
Chomsky’s name appears to be something of a boo light here on Less Wrong. I attribute this to two things:
(1) Chomsky is well known for writing about politics, which we all know is the mind-killer. This is a probably a good reason to be suspicious of him. I have never really bothered to look into the details of his political theories, due to a lack of interest, but I suspect that he may not be wrong so much as not even wrong: political analysis as usually understood is unlikely to be the appropriate level on which to look at the world for the purpose of formulating theories that have a chance of being true. However, the fact remains that while Chomsky is perhaps best popularly known for his political advocacy, it has nothing to do with his place in intellectual history, which rests on his work in linguistics. (It should also be remembered that leftist politics—particularly of a radical variety—serve specific signaling functions in academic circles in contemporary America.)
(2) Misunderstanding of his linguistic and psychological theories and their context—in particular, a notion that Chomsky is “anti-empirical” or some such. This is simply wrong. I suspect this impression mostly results from hearing about Chomsky’s ideas second- and third-hand via less sophisticated commentators. I don’t know to what extent Chomsky’s various technical ideas in linguistics will ultimately prove correct, but I tend to be unimpressed by his critics—it’s as if they haven’t reached the third-level and are stuck on the first.
Ironically (in view of his “anti-empirical” boo-light status), he played a crucial role in establishing some of the most important ideas that we take for granted here regarding the biological nature of our minds and the limitations of introspection, among other things. Behaviorist psychology was wrong, and Chomsky was responsible for its demise. And he’s a critic of postmodernism.
For a general overview of his ideas from the man himself, I recommend this excellent TV interview from the 1970s, which puts them in a philosophical context. (This is just one of a whole series of interviews with various philosophers and historians of philosophy, which can serve as an extremely useful crash course in the subject; here’s Quine, for example.) Some of the things he says are clearly wrong (such as the idea that there’s no hope for using scientific knowledge to improve our brains), but others just as clearly refute certain uninformed misunderstandings of his positions.
Even basic familiarity with Chomsky’s linguistics will confirm that: (a) his linguistics does not involve any empirical data or empirical research and his approach to linguistics is based on expert intuitive judgement of the grammatical correctness of artificial sentences; and (b) he is openly hostile to the role of biological and evolutionary explanations. I think people rush to defend him because he’s a nativist and because he’s widely supposed to have caused the demise of behaviourism. It is, however, possible to be both a nativist and a critic of behaviourism and be wrong about almost everything else.
Let me put it as simply as possible: Chomsky makes a series of claims about language but Chomsky has never done any empirical research, does not rely on empirical data and does not cite empirical research to support his theses. I’ve read much of his published work on the subject and am not using second or third hand sources for these claims. If you can supply counter-evidence I would be interested to see it. It would surely not be difficult to find an example of him using empirical research to back up his claims if that was something he was open to. (Chomsky is fond of biological and scientific analogies, as you can see in the video posted, but that’s another matter entirely.) Failing that, what, exactly, sets him apart from the philosophers who rely on intuition and thought experiments and have no time for empirical results that are widely (and rightly) criticised on Less Wrong?
Fixed the Michael Bishop thing, thanks.