That might lead to bad instrumental habits, though it’d help if you required at least some minimal elaboration. It’s important to be aware of fallacious reasoning, but pointing out fallacies directly is a good way to lose arguments: even when you’re right, people tend to interpret it as sophistry, at least outside of a few specific and unusual venues like LW.
This seems to cover far too much. Surely pointing out that a particular argument is flawed is not always terrible. The way it is pointed out can have a huge effect via framing. But that is a separate argument from increasing ones skills at noticing them in the first place. The game should not be played with the understanding that suddenly shouting “ah ha, base rate fallacy” is socially acceptable or effective in real life.
I don’t disagree with any of this. All I was trying to establish is precisely that using “foul! Base rate fallacy!” in place of a fully elaborated argument is neither socially acceptable nor effective.
Does anyone here think a Phoenix Wright style game could be useful as a medium for Rationalist fiction?
Yes. Playing spot the fallacy with mainstream media stuff should be generalizable.
That might lead to bad instrumental habits, though it’d help if you required at least some minimal elaboration. It’s important to be aware of fallacious reasoning, but pointing out fallacies directly is a good way to lose arguments: even when you’re right, people tend to interpret it as sophistry, at least outside of a few specific and unusual venues like LW.
This seems to cover far too much. Surely pointing out that a particular argument is flawed is not always terrible. The way it is pointed out can have a huge effect via framing. But that is a separate argument from increasing ones skills at noticing them in the first place. The game should not be played with the understanding that suddenly shouting “ah ha, base rate fallacy” is socially acceptable or effective in real life.
I don’t disagree with any of this. All I was trying to establish is precisely that using “foul! Base rate fallacy!” in place of a fully elaborated argument is neither socially acceptable nor effective.