Aren’t we all forgetting something big and obvious[1] that’s staring us in the face? :-/
There are people out there for whom “rationality” is counter to their values!
Imagine someone who reads the horoscope every morning, who always trusts their gut feelings and emotions, who’s a sincere believer in homeopathy, etc etc (whatever you think an irrational person believes).
Such a person would probably strongly rationality, rationalists, and the complex of ideas surrounding rationality, for probably understandable reasons (i.e. if a group consistently belittles your treasured beliefs, you’re liable to hate and dislike the group).
Such people might dislike R!Harry because they’d see rationality as a magic feather, and seeing it working in the story (to an uncanny degree, I might add) would be reading an author tract for them.
Imagine a black person reading a fanfic where, through the power of !RACISM! (exaggeration mine), Harry gets everything handed to him on a silver platter.
[1]disclaimer: just because it’s big and obvious doesn’t mean it’s actually more right or important, but only that it’s easier to see and think about
Imagine someone who reads the horoscope every morning, who always trusts their gut feelings and emotions, who’s a sincere believer in homeopathy, etc etc (whatever you think an irrational person believes). Such a person would probably strongly rationality, rationalists, and the complex of ideas surrounding rationality, for probably understandable reasons
A bit offtopic to the discussion itself, but trusting your “gut feelings” is rational in certain circumstances (or, in the more precise lingo, in certain conditions System 1 will be faster /and/ more correct than System 2). I actually don’t remember whether HPMOR teaches it somewhere (if anybody knows, could you share a link?).
I often use this as a bridge when explaining applied rationality techniques to friends, because it makes the techniques more relatable and gives me a good opening (“I’m totally with you on trusting your gut feelings in situation X, and here’re some interesting explanations from psychology research on why it works”, using familiar topics to show your System 1 that research can explain life and that research can be interesting!, so then I can continue into “on the other hand it’s probably not good to do the same in situation Y, here’s some interesting research on why it’s so”). It also helps dispel the Straw Vulcan view of rationality.
The point being that advocating for (applied) rationality can sometimes come across as saying “you, being human, have no idea how to make good decisions in an environment populated by humans, wipe everything clean and begin anew”, instead of “making decisions is hard, but here’re some things you already seem to do right, and here’re some things you could get better at”.
Such a person would probably strongly [missing verb?] rationality, rationalists, and the complex of ideas surrounding rationality, for probably understandable reasons
Since I kind of like your comment, I’d liked to know how that sentence should have sounded. Strongly dislike, hate, mistrust?
All three options fit the bill, actually, but I was going for strongly dislike.
Man, I must have been more tired than I realized to miss a whole word like that.
Aren’t we all forgetting something big and obvious[1] that’s staring us in the face? :-/ There are people out there for whom “rationality” is counter to their values! Imagine someone who reads the horoscope every morning, who always trusts their gut feelings and emotions, who’s a sincere believer in homeopathy, etc etc (whatever you think an irrational person believes). Such a person would probably strongly rationality, rationalists, and the complex of ideas surrounding rationality, for probably understandable reasons (i.e. if a group consistently belittles your treasured beliefs, you’re liable to hate and dislike the group). Such people might dislike R!Harry because they’d see rationality as a magic feather, and seeing it working in the story (to an uncanny degree, I might add) would be reading an author tract for them. Imagine a black person reading a fanfic where, through the power of !RACISM! (exaggeration mine), Harry gets everything handed to him on a silver platter.
[1]disclaimer: just because it’s big and obvious doesn’t mean it’s actually more right or important, but only that it’s easier to see and think about
A bit offtopic to the discussion itself, but trusting your “gut feelings” is rational in certain circumstances (or, in the more precise lingo, in certain conditions System 1 will be faster /and/ more correct than System 2). I actually don’t remember whether HPMOR teaches it somewhere (if anybody knows, could you share a link?).
I often use this as a bridge when explaining applied rationality techniques to friends, because it makes the techniques more relatable and gives me a good opening (“I’m totally with you on trusting your gut feelings in situation X, and here’re some interesting explanations from psychology research on why it works”, using familiar topics to show your System 1 that research can explain life and that research can be interesting!, so then I can continue into “on the other hand it’s probably not good to do the same in situation Y, here’s some interesting research on why it’s so”). It also helps dispel the Straw Vulcan view of rationality.
The point being that advocating for (applied) rationality can sometimes come across as saying “you, being human, have no idea how to make good decisions in an environment populated by humans, wipe everything clean and begin anew”, instead of “making decisions is hard, but here’re some things you already seem to do right, and here’re some things you could get better at”.
Since I kind of like your comment, I’d liked to know how that sentence should have sounded. Strongly dislike, hate, mistrust?
All three options fit the bill, actually, but I was going for strongly dislike. Man, I must have been more tired than I realized to miss a whole word like that.