So that this context isn’t lost in this unfriendly exchange: I’ve enjoyed your contributions to this site for a long time, and expect to continue to enjoy them in the future. I have much respect for your clarity of thought and intelligence. Now…
You already know that I consider the overall effect of the changes is ‘abominable’
So you know why I’m still bothering you - Each change can be individually further tweaked, reverted, or replaced with something else. I’m uninterested in your opinion of the “overall effect” of the changes and interested in your particular thinking on each change. I’m more interested in your opinion after it seems to me that you’ve had the opportunity to understand our thinking behind each change rather than only your first responses.
You would lose almost nothing just by ignoring me and letting me answer CronoDAS’s question then move along.
Hmm… I seem to be assuming it’ll be easier for one of us to change the other’s mind than you do. I honestly don’t know whether I’d change my mind or you would, if we invested the time to understand each others reasons, but I think it likely enough that I’d profit from listening that I’m happily investing the time. … though, I guess you’ve not convinced me that today isn’t an uncharacteristically grumpy day for you, so I guess I will leave you alone for the next few hours.
Again: you have my respect and I expect to continue benefiting from your contributions to this site.
I seem to be assuming it’ll be easier for one of us to change the other’s mind than you do.
It isn’t personal. The prior for changing people’s mind is abysmal and in this case I am also able to take into account information about the political context. There are people with more status and more power than me who disagree with me on the underlying issue. One of them is Eliezer. This is not a situation in which I wish to internalise a goal of changing the mind of the implementors.
you’ve not convinced me that today isn’t an uncharacteristically grumpy day for you
Nor should I have, for it is a grumpy day. But that doesn’t mean I don’t endorse my comments fully on reflection. I also suggest you see aggression when there is mere flippancy, leaving you with more of a feeling of personal unpleasantness than I have.
I appreciate the attempt to maintain goodwill. That matters to me given that I’ll be returning to Melbourne once I’m done at Berkeley and I understand you are prominent among the Melbourne LW community.
Then goodwill is maintained, and I look forward to seeing you at a future Melbourne meetup. By the status afforded through karma, you’ll be by far the highest status participant if you do attend :)
So that this context isn’t lost in this unfriendly exchange: I’ve enjoyed your contributions to this site for a long time, and expect to continue to enjoy them in the future. I have much respect for your clarity of thought and intelligence.
Now…
So you know why I’m still bothering you -
Each change can be individually further tweaked, reverted, or replaced with something else. I’m uninterested in your opinion of the “overall effect” of the changes and interested in your particular thinking on each change. I’m more interested in your opinion after it seems to me that you’ve had the opportunity to understand our thinking behind each change rather than only your first responses.
Hmm… I seem to be assuming it’ll be easier for one of us to change the other’s mind than you do. I honestly don’t know whether I’d change my mind or you would, if we invested the time to understand each others reasons, but I think it likely enough that I’d profit from listening that I’m happily investing the time.
… though, I guess you’ve not convinced me that today isn’t an uncharacteristically grumpy day for you, so I guess I will leave you alone for the next few hours.
Again: you have my respect and I expect to continue benefiting from your contributions to this site.
It isn’t personal. The prior for changing people’s mind is abysmal and in this case I am also able to take into account information about the political context. There are people with more status and more power than me who disagree with me on the underlying issue. One of them is Eliezer. This is not a situation in which I wish to internalise a goal of changing the mind of the implementors.
Nor should I have, for it is a grumpy day. But that doesn’t mean I don’t endorse my comments fully on reflection. I also suggest you see aggression when there is mere flippancy, leaving you with more of a feeling of personal unpleasantness than I have.
I appreciate the attempt to maintain goodwill. That matters to me given that I’ll be returning to Melbourne once I’m done at Berkeley and I understand you are prominent among the Melbourne LW community.
Then goodwill is maintained, and I look forward to seeing you at a future Melbourne meetup.
By the status afforded through karma, you’ll be by far the highest status participant if you do attend :)