We will often have independent information about relative rationality, and/or one model may predict the statements of the other, so that the conversation has minimal information value on the acual topic of disagreement.
I’ll skip dreamers for the moment.
Schizophrenics may claim to possess a detailed self-model, but they can neither convincingly describe the details nor demonstrate feats of superintelligence to others. The AI can do so easily, and distinguish itself from the broader class of beings claiming superintelligence.
Creationists show lower IQ, knowledge levels, and awareness of cognitive biases than their opponents, along with higher rates of other dubious beliefs (and different types of true knowledge are correlated). Further, creationist exceptions with high levels of such rationality-predictors overwhelmingly have been subjected to strong social pressures (childhood indoctrination, etc) and other non-truth-oriented influences. Explaining this difference is very difficult from a creationist perspective, but simple for opponents.
I’d also note the possibility of an ‘incommunicable insight.’ If creationists attribute conscious bad faith to their opponents, who do not reciprocate, then the opponents can have incommunicable knowledge of their own sincerity.
The Verizon customer-service issue was baffling. But relatively low-skill call center employees following scripts, afflicted with erroneous corporate information (with the weight of hierarchical authority behind it), can make mistakes and would be reluctant to cut the size of a customer’s bill by 99%. Further, some of the representatives seemed to understand before passing the buck. Given the existence of mail-in-rebate companies that are paid on the basis of how many rebates they can manage to lose, George could reasonably suspect that the uniformly erroneous price quotes were an intentional moneymaking scheme. Since Verizon STILL has not changed the quotes its representatives offer, there’s now even more reason to think that’s the case.
Combining this knowledge about Verizon with personal knowledge of higher-than-average mathematics and reasoning skills (from independent objective measures like SAT scores and math contests) George could have had ample reason not to apply the Modesty Argument and conclude that 0.002 cents is equal to $0.002, $0.00167, or $0.00101.
We will often have independent information about relative rationality, and/or one model may predict the statements of the other, so that the conversation has minimal information value on the acual topic of disagreement.
I’ll skip dreamers for the moment.
Schizophrenics may claim to possess a detailed self-model, but they can neither convincingly describe the details nor demonstrate feats of superintelligence to others. The AI can do so easily, and distinguish itself from the broader class of beings claiming superintelligence.
Creationists show lower IQ, knowledge levels, and awareness of cognitive biases than their opponents, along with higher rates of other dubious beliefs (and different types of true knowledge are correlated). Further, creationist exceptions with high levels of such rationality-predictors overwhelmingly have been subjected to strong social pressures (childhood indoctrination, etc) and other non-truth-oriented influences. Explaining this difference is very difficult from a creationist perspective, but simple for opponents.
I’d also note the possibility of an ‘incommunicable insight.’ If creationists attribute conscious bad faith to their opponents, who do not reciprocate, then the opponents can have incommunicable knowledge of their own sincerity.
The Verizon customer-service issue was baffling. But relatively low-skill call center employees following scripts, afflicted with erroneous corporate information (with the weight of hierarchical authority behind it), can make mistakes and would be reluctant to cut the size of a customer’s bill by 99%. Further, some of the representatives seemed to understand before passing the buck. Given the existence of mail-in-rebate companies that are paid on the basis of how many rebates they can manage to lose, George could reasonably suspect that the uniformly erroneous price quotes were an intentional moneymaking scheme. Since Verizon STILL has not changed the quotes its representatives offer, there’s now even more reason to think that’s the case.
Combining this knowledge about Verizon with personal knowledge of higher-than-average mathematics and reasoning skills (from independent objective measures like SAT scores and math contests) George could have had ample reason not to apply the Modesty Argument and conclude that 0.002 cents is equal to $0.002, $0.00167, or $0.00101.