Phil, how many times do I have to tell you that every time you try to speak for what my positions are, you get it wrong? Are you incapable of understanding that you do not have a good model of me? Is it some naive realism thing where the little picture in your head just seems the way that Eliezer is? Do I have to request a feature that lets me tag all your posts with a little floating label that says “Phil Goetz thinks he can speak for Eliezer, but he can’t”?
There’s some here that is insightful, and some that I disagree with. But if I want to make promises I’ll make them myself! If I want to stake all my reputation on always telling the truth, I’ll stake it myself! Your help is not solicited in doing so!
And it all collapses if he tells one lie to anybody.
I strive for honesty, hard enough to take social penalties for it; but my deliberative intelligence literally doesn’t control my voice fast enough to prevent it from ever telling a single lie to anybody. Maybe with further training and practice.
I do not have a good model of Eliezer. Very true. I will edit the post to make it not sound like I speak for Eliezer.
But if you want to be a big man, you have to get used to people talking about you. If you open any textbook on Kant, you will find all sorts of attributions saying “Kant meant… Kant believed...” These people did not interview Kant to find out what he believed. It is understood by convention that they are presenting their interpretation of someone else’s beliefs.
If you don’t want others to present their interpretations of your beliefs, you’re in the wrong business.
Phil, how many times do I have to tell you that every time you try to speak for what my positions are, you get it wrong? Are you incapable of understanding that you do not have a good model of me? Is it some naive realism thing where the little picture in your head just seems the way that Eliezer is? Do I have to request a feature that lets me tag all your posts with a little floating label that says “Phil Goetz thinks he can speak for Eliezer, but he can’t”?
There’s some here that is insightful, and some that I disagree with. But if I want to make promises I’ll make them myself! If I want to stake all my reputation on always telling the truth, I’ll stake it myself! Your help is not solicited in doing so!
I strive for honesty, hard enough to take social penalties for it; but my deliberative intelligence literally doesn’t control my voice fast enough to prevent it from ever telling a single lie to anybody. Maybe with further training and practice.
I do not have a good model of Eliezer. Very true. I will edit the post to make it not sound like I speak for Eliezer.
But if you want to be a big man, you have to get used to people talking about you. If you open any textbook on Kant, you will find all sorts of attributions saying “Kant meant… Kant believed...” These people did not interview Kant to find out what he believed. It is understood by convention that they are presenting their interpretation of someone else’s beliefs.
If you don’t want others to present their interpretations of your beliefs, you’re in the wrong business.