Reasoning about AGI is similar to reasoning about black holes: both of these do not necessarily lead to pseudo-science, though both also attract a lot of fringe thinkers, and not all of them think robustly all of the time
For the two to be similar, there needs to be an equivalent to the laws of physics. Then the cranks would be the people who are ignoring them. But, despite the expenditure of a lot of effort, no specific laws of AGI have been found .
(Of course, AGI is subject to the same general laws as any form of computation).
It is your opinion that despite the expenditure of a lot of effort, no specific laws of AGI have been found. This opinion is common on this forum, it puts you in what could be called the ‘pre-paradigmatic’ camp.
My opinion is that the laws of AGI are the general laws of any form of computation (that we can physically implement), with some extreme values filled in. See my original comment. Plenty of useful work has been done based on this paradigm.
This opinion is common on this forum, it puts you in what could be called the ‘pre-paradigmatic’ camp
Maybe it’s common now.
During the high rationalist era, early 2010s, there was supposed to be a theory of AGI based on rationality. The problem was that ideal rationality is uncomputable, so that approach would involve going against what is already known about computation, and therefore crankish. (And the claim that any AI is non ideally rational, whilst defensible for some values of non ideallyrational, is not useful, since there are many ways of being non-ideal).
I am not familiar with the specific rationalist theory of AGI developed in the high rationalist era of the early 2010s. I am not a rationalist, but I do like histories of ideas, so I am delighted to learn that such a thing as the high rationalist era of the early 2010s even exists.
If I were to learn more about the actual theory, I suspect that you and I would end up agreeing that the rationalist theory of AGI developed in the high rationalist era was crankish.
For the two to be similar, there needs to be an equivalent to the laws of physics. Then the cranks would be the people who are ignoring them. But, despite the expenditure of a lot of effort, no specific laws of AGI have been found .
(Of course, AGI is subject to the same general laws as any form of computation).
It is your opinion that despite the expenditure of a lot of effort, no specific laws of AGI have been found. This opinion is common on this forum, it puts you in what could be called the ‘pre-paradigmatic’ camp.
My opinion is that the laws of AGI are the general laws of any form of computation (that we can physically implement), with some extreme values filled in. See my original comment. Plenty of useful work has been done based on this paradigm.
Maybe it’s common now.
During the high rationalist era, early 2010s, there was supposed to be a theory of AGI based on rationality. The problem was that ideal rationality is uncomputable, so that approach would involve going against what is already known about computation, and therefore crankish. (And the claim that any AI is non ideally rational, whilst defensible for some values of non ideallyrational, is not useful, since there are many ways of being non-ideal).
I am not familiar with the specific rationalist theory of AGI developed in the high rationalist era of the early 2010s. I am not a rationalist, but I do like histories of ideas, so I am delighted to learn that such a thing as the high rationalist era of the early 2010s even exists.
If I were to learn more about the actual theory, I suspect that you and I would end up agreeing that the rationalist theory of AGI developed in the high rationalist era was crankish.
Yes. I was trying to avoid the downvote demon by hinting quietly.
PS looks like he winged me.