I cannot interpret advice, of the type Alicorn has given, any more charitably than “I’m trying to clean the gene pool of any man submissive and stupid enough to actually follow this advice in the real world.”
Then you have impaired translation skills. Alicorn has actually given advice here in the past that—when properly translated—is actually quite in accordance with many PUA teachings. She just didn’t use PUA buzzwords like “social proof” or “direct game” to describe them. (Granted, she tended to also use very blunt and judgmental language… but no more blunt or judgmental than I’d have expected from a male of her age.)
To the extent that Alicorn is sincere and honest, she is an extreme outlier
Outlier, yes. Extreme, no. She may or may not be correct about what “works” for her, but either way, it’s none of our business or concern. She has clearly separated her statements about the way she believes things should be from discussion of how they actually are, so I don’t think that disagreements with her regarding the “should”, should be conflated with her misrepresenting the “are”.
Then you have impaired translation skills. Alicorn has actually given advice here in the past that—when properly translated—is actually quite in accordance with many PUA teachings. She just didn’t use PUA buzzwords like “social proof” or “direct game” to describe them.
I’m not familiar with those discussions, so my previous statements don’t refer to them. All the advice I’m aware of from Alicorn is:
1) Her suggestion that presupposes your problem getting dates is already 99% solved, and that fundamental changes in your life, like getting an entire new set of friends with numerous female contacts receptive to you is easy
3) Her current advice, that men should navigate the world with extreme caution that they might say something on the forbidden list.
With respect to the other Alicorn posts you refer to, she may be right. But, if I were going for a minimum-message-length optimized description of the above Alicorn posts, a great hypothesis would be indeed “She’s trying to clean the gene pool of any man submissive and stupid enough to actually follow this advice in the real world.”
Outlier, yes. Extreme, no.
I meant that she was an outlier in being offended by the “get a woman” usages, not that she’s an outlier in general honesty or sincerity.
I don’t think that disagreements with her regarding the “should”, should be conflated with her misrepresenting the “are”.
Just the same, she should distinguish her own idiosyncratic preferences from fundamentally unethical treatment of others, and in this area, she’s failed. The world simply does not agree with her claim about the atrociousness of talking about “getting a man” or “getting a woman” “because I have a lot of money/looks”.
Then you have impaired translation skills. Alicorn has actually given advice here in the past that—when properly translated—is actually quite in accordance with many PUA teachings. She just didn’t use PUA buzzwords like “social proof” or “direct game” to describe them. (Granted, she tended to also use very blunt and judgmental language… but no more blunt or judgmental than I’d have expected from a male of her age.)
Outlier, yes. Extreme, no. She may or may not be correct about what “works” for her, but either way, it’s none of our business or concern. She has clearly separated her statements about the way she believes things should be from discussion of how they actually are, so I don’t think that disagreements with her regarding the “should”, should be conflated with her misrepresenting the “are”.
I’m not familiar with those discussions, so my previous statements don’t refer to them. All the advice I’m aware of from Alicorn is:
1) Her suggestion that presupposes your problem getting dates is already 99% solved, and that fundamental changes in your life, like getting an entire new set of friends with numerous female contacts receptive to you is easy
2) The infamous “Why can’t you whiners just meet women off the internet?” (gently brought back to reality by HughRistik).
3) Her current advice, that men should navigate the world with extreme caution that they might say something on the forbidden list.
With respect to the other Alicorn posts you refer to, she may be right. But, if I were going for a minimum-message-length optimized description of the above Alicorn posts, a great hypothesis would be indeed “She’s trying to clean the gene pool of any man submissive and stupid enough to actually follow this advice in the real world.”
I meant that she was an outlier in being offended by the “get a woman” usages, not that she’s an outlier in general honesty or sincerity.
Just the same, she should distinguish her own idiosyncratic preferences from fundamentally unethical treatment of others, and in this area, she’s failed. The world simply does not agree with her claim about the atrociousness of talking about “getting a man” or “getting a woman” “because I have a lot of money/looks”.