I’m not sure I’d call Russia winner in this war. It seems like having been unlucky enough to have been involved is already some flavor of losing.
I respect the insight though, that Team A, characterized by quality a, defeating Team B, characterized by quality b, is not a story of a beats b, especially when you’re wrong in the first place about Team A not also being characterized (in part) by quality b.
I liken this kind of talk to “fall of the Roman Empire” talk—modern humans have an eerie tendency to try to explain the past in ways that support their current viewpoints, and wilfully ignore evidence that tells them their explanations are not very fit.
It seems like having been unlucky enough to have been involved is already some flavor of losing.
So you’re saying it had no winners? That doesn’t seem right. We need a word to for the huge difference in outcome between Germany and the USSR.
Also, the USSR and the US both gained a lot from the war on net—territory, military power, international political power, domestic control. If Stalin had been offered in 1939 the choice between WW2 (knowing the eventual outcome) and eternal peace while Germany conquered the rest of Europe, he would have likely chosen war. The same goes for the US.
I’m not sure I’d call Russia winner in this war. It seems like having been unlucky enough to have been involved is already some flavor of losing.
I respect the insight though, that Team A, characterized by quality a, defeating Team B, characterized by quality b, is not a story of a beats b, especially when you’re wrong in the first place about Team A not also being characterized (in part) by quality b.
I liken this kind of talk to “fall of the Roman Empire” talk—modern humans have an eerie tendency to try to explain the past in ways that support their current viewpoints, and wilfully ignore evidence that tells them their explanations are not very fit.
So you’re saying it had no winners? That doesn’t seem right. We need a word to for the huge difference in outcome between Germany and the USSR.
Also, the USSR and the US both gained a lot from the war on net—territory, military power, international political power, domestic control. If Stalin had been offered in 1939 the choice between WW2 (knowing the eventual outcome) and eternal peace while Germany conquered the rest of Europe, he would have likely chosen war. The same goes for the US.