It feels kind of weird that this post only has 50 upvotes and is hidden in the layers of lesswrong as some skeleton in the closet waiting to strike at an opportune time. A lot of big names commented on this post and even though it’s not entirely true and misrepresenting what happened to an extent it would make sense to kind of promote this type of a post anyway. It’s setting a bad example if we don’t promote as we then show that we don’t encourage criticism which seems very anti-rational. Maybe a summary article of this incident could be done and put on the main website? It doesn’t make sense to me that a post with a whooping 900 comments should be this hidden and it sure doesn’t look good from an outside perspective.
Note that the post had over 100 karma and then lost over half of it, probably because substantial criticism emerged in the comments. I’ve never seen that kind of a shift happen before, but it seems to show that people are thoughtful with their upvotes.
50 upvotes are more then the average post on LessWrong gets. If someone wants to write a summary of Jessica’s post and the 900 comments I think there’s a good chance that it will be well received.
Part of why this post doesn’t get more comments is because it’s not just criticism but it was perceived to try to interfer with the Leverage debate. If all the references to Zoe and Leverage wouldn’t be in this post it would likely be better received.
If someone has something new to say in a top-level post, they can say it; I would guess someone will make such a post in the next month or two. I don’t think any top-down action is necessary, beyond people’s natural interest in discussion.
Also—I would hardly call a post “hidden” if it has accrued 900 comments. It’s been in “recently commented” almost the entire time since its posting, it was on the front page for several days, before naturally falling off due to lower karma + passage of time.
Personally, I think it’s good that people are starting to talk about other things. I don’t find this interesting enough to occupy weeks of community attention.
Strong upvoted. I disagree that there’s an active attempt at suppression (I agree with the other comments) but the last time I tried to dig into “is miri/cfar a cult” it was nearly impossible to do more than verify a few minor claims.
Some of that may just have been me being a few years late, but still. It would be nice if information on something so important was easier to find, rather than hidden (even if the hiding mechanism is the product of apathy instead of malice).
It feels kind of weird that this post only has 50 upvotes and is hidden in the layers of lesswrong as some skeleton in the closet waiting to strike at an opportune time. A lot of big names commented on this post and even though it’s not entirely true and misrepresenting what happened to an extent it would make sense to kind of promote this type of a post anyway. It’s setting a bad example if we don’t promote as we then show that we don’t encourage criticism which seems very anti-rational. Maybe a summary article of this incident could be done and put on the main website? It doesn’t make sense to me that a post with a whooping 900 comments should be this hidden and it sure doesn’t look good from an outside perspective.
Note that the post had over 100 karma and then lost over half of it, probably because substantial criticism emerged in the comments. I’ve never seen that kind of a shift happen before, but it seems to show that people are thoughtful with their upvotes.
50 upvotes are more then the average post on LessWrong gets. If someone wants to write a summary of Jessica’s post and the 900 comments I think there’s a good chance that it will be well received.
Part of why this post doesn’t get more comments is because it’s not just criticism but it was perceived to try to interfer with the Leverage debate. If all the references to Zoe and Leverage wouldn’t be in this post it would likely be better received.
If someone has something new to say in a top-level post, they can say it; I would guess someone will make such a post in the next month or two. I don’t think any top-down action is necessary, beyond people’s natural interest in discussion.
Also—I would hardly call a post “hidden” if it has accrued 900 comments. It’s been in “recently commented” almost the entire time since its posting, it was on the front page for several days, before naturally falling off due to lower karma + passage of time.
Personally, I think it’s good that people are starting to talk about other things. I don’t find this interesting enough to occupy weeks of community attention.
Strong upvoted. I disagree that there’s an active attempt at suppression (I agree with the other comments) but the last time I tried to dig into “is miri/cfar a cult” it was nearly impossible to do more than verify a few minor claims.
Some of that may just have been me being a few years late, but still. It would be nice if information on something so important was easier to find, rather than hidden (even if the hiding mechanism is the product of apathy instead of malice).