None of us are calling for blame, ostracism, or cancelling of Michael.
What I’m saying is that the Berkeley community should be.
Ziz’s sentence you quoted doesn’t implicate Michael in any crimes.
Supplying illicit drugs is a crime (but perhaps the drugs were BYO?). IDK if doing so and negligently causing permanent psychological injury is a worse crime, but it should be.
I’m not going to comment on drug usage in detail for legal reasons, except to note that there are psychedelics legal in some places, such as marijuana in CA.
It doesn’t make sense to attribute unique causal responsibility for psychotic breaks to anyone, except maybe to the person it’s happening to. There are lots of people all of us were talking to in that time period who influenced us, and multiple people were advocating psychedelic use. Not all cases happened to people who were talking significantly with Michael around the time. As I mentioned in the OP, as I was becoming more psychotic, people tried things they thought might help, which generally didn’t, and they could have done better things instead. Even causal responsibility doesn’t imply blame, e.g. Eliezer had some causal responsibility due to writing things that attracted people to the Berkeley scene where there were higher-variance psychological outcomes. Michael was often talking with people who were already “not ok” in important ways, which probably affects the statistics.
What I’m saying is that the Berkeley community should be.
Supplying illicit drugs is a crime (but perhaps the drugs were BYO?). IDK if doing so and negligently causing permanent psychological injury is a worse crime, but it should be.
I’m not going to comment on drug usage in detail for legal reasons, except to note that there are psychedelics legal in some places, such as marijuana in CA.
It doesn’t make sense to attribute unique causal responsibility for psychotic breaks to anyone, except maybe to the person it’s happening to. There are lots of people all of us were talking to in that time period who influenced us, and multiple people were advocating psychedelic use. Not all cases happened to people who were talking significantly with Michael around the time. As I mentioned in the OP, as I was becoming more psychotic, people tried things they thought might help, which generally didn’t, and they could have done better things instead. Even causal responsibility doesn’t imply blame, e.g. Eliezer had some causal responsibility due to writing things that attracted people to the Berkeley scene where there were higher-variance psychological outcomes. Michael was often talking with people who were already “not ok” in important ways, which probably affects the statistics.