But from my perspective, you are an unreliable narrator.
I appreciate you’re telling me this given that you believe it. I definitely am in some ways, and try to improve over time.
then Michael Vassar taught me that everyone is super evil, including CFAR/MIRI, and told me to use drugs in order to get a psychotic breakdown and liberate myself from evil
I said in the text that (a) there were conversations about corruption in EA institutions, including about the content of Ben Hoffman’s posts, (b) I was collaborating with Michael Vassar at the time, (c) Michael Vassar was commenting about social epistemology. I admit that connecting points (a) and (c) would have made the connection clearer, but it wouldn’t have changed the text much.
In cases where someone was previously part of a “cult” and later says it was a “cult” and abusive in some important ways, there has to be a stage where they’re thinking about how bad the social context was, and practically always, that involves conversations with other people who are encouraging them to look at the ways their social context is bad. So my having conversations where people try to convince me CFAR/MIRI are evil is expected given what else I have written.
Besides this, “in order to get a psychotic breakdown” is incredibly false about his intentions, as Zack Davis points out.
I actually used the drugs
This was not in the literally initial version of the post but was included within a few hours, I think, when someone pointed out to me that it was relevant.
But the proper way to stop other people from getting hurt is to make it known that listening too much to Vassar does this, predictably.
As I pointed out, this doesn’t obviously attribute less “spooky mind powers” to Michael Vassar compared with what Leverage was attributing to people, where Leverage attributing this (and isolating people from each other on the basis of it) was considered crazy and abusive. Maybe he really was this influential, but logical consistency is important here.
But when it turns of that Michael Vassar is more directly responsible for it, suddenly the angle changes and he actually “helped you”.
In this comment I’m saying he has an unclear and probably low amount of responsibility, so this is a misread.
So could you please make up your mind?
I was pretty clear in the text that there were trauma symptoms resulting from these events and they also had advantages such as gaining a new perspective, and that overall I don’t regret working at MIRI. I was also clear that there are relatively better and worse social contexts in which to experience psychosis symptoms, and hospitalization indicates a relatively worse social context.
I appreciate you’re telling me this given that you believe it. I definitely am in some ways, and try to improve over time.
I said in the text that (a) there were conversations about corruption in EA institutions, including about the content of Ben Hoffman’s posts, (b) I was collaborating with Michael Vassar at the time, (c) Michael Vassar was commenting about social epistemology. I admit that connecting points (a) and (c) would have made the connection clearer, but it wouldn’t have changed the text much.
In cases where someone was previously part of a “cult” and later says it was a “cult” and abusive in some important ways, there has to be a stage where they’re thinking about how bad the social context was, and practically always, that involves conversations with other people who are encouraging them to look at the ways their social context is bad. So my having conversations where people try to convince me CFAR/MIRI are evil is expected given what else I have written.
Besides this, “in order to get a psychotic breakdown” is incredibly false about his intentions, as Zack Davis points out.
This was not in the literally initial version of the post but was included within a few hours, I think, when someone pointed out to me that it was relevant.
As I pointed out, this doesn’t obviously attribute less “spooky mind powers” to Michael Vassar compared with what Leverage was attributing to people, where Leverage attributing this (and isolating people from each other on the basis of it) was considered crazy and abusive. Maybe he really was this influential, but logical consistency is important here.
In this comment I’m saying he has an unclear and probably low amount of responsibility, so this is a misread.
I was pretty clear in the text that there were trauma symptoms resulting from these events and they also had advantages such as gaining a new perspective, and that overall I don’t regret working at MIRI. I was also clear that there are relatively better and worse social contexts in which to experience psychosis symptoms, and hospitalization indicates a relatively worse social context.