I still count them among my closest friends, but I don’t want to be socially liable for the things they say. I don’t want the implicit assumption to be that I’d agree with them or back them up.
Same. I don’t think I can exit a faction by declaration without joining another, but I want many of the consequences of this. I think I get to move towards this outcome by engaging nonfactional protocols more, not by creating political distance between me & some particular faction.
Without disagreeing with any specific logical statement you have made, I call bullshit on this. You have quoted a short segment such that technically what you’re saying is not false, but you’re drawing a broader equivalence & request for social credit around “not wanting to be in factions” which is not valid in context of the fact that you are blatantly participating in a faction and doing factional protocols. People are usually on board with the idea of it being better to just talk rather than do politics, and I acknowledge & appreciate the sense in which you want to want to not do politics, but there is a game here which you are playing in and I wish you would own up to that.
If Ben says: “I desire X, and I could get that by doing less faction stuff”, that implies that he is doing faction stuff. But you’re taking it as implying that he isn’t.
The only way I could understand your criticism is as making a revealed-preference critique, where Ben is expressing a preference for doing non-faction stuff but is still doing faction stuff. That doesn’t seem like a strong critique, though, since doing less faction stuff is somewhat difficult, and noticing the problem is the first step to fixing it.
Seems like you agree with what I actually said, and are claiming to find some implied posture objectionable, but aren’t willing to criticize me explicitly enough for me or anyone else to learn from. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Same. I don’t think I can exit a faction by declaration without joining another, but I want many of the consequences of this. I think I get to move towards this outcome by engaging nonfactional protocols more, not by creating political distance between me & some particular faction.
Without disagreeing with any specific logical statement you have made, I call bullshit on this. You have quoted a short segment such that technically what you’re saying is not false, but you’re drawing a broader equivalence & request for social credit around “not wanting to be in factions” which is not valid in context of the fact that you are blatantly participating in a faction and doing factional protocols. People are usually on board with the idea of it being better to just talk rather than do politics, and I acknowledge & appreciate the sense in which you want to want to not do politics, but there is a game here which you are playing in and I wish you would own up to that.
If Ben says: “I desire X, and I could get that by doing less faction stuff”, that implies that he is doing faction stuff. But you’re taking it as implying that he isn’t.
The only way I could understand your criticism is as making a revealed-preference critique, where Ben is expressing a preference for doing non-faction stuff but is still doing faction stuff. That doesn’t seem like a strong critique, though, since doing less faction stuff is somewhat difficult, and noticing the problem is the first step to fixing it.
Seems like you agree with what I actually said, and are claiming to find some implied posture objectionable, but aren’t willing to criticize me explicitly enough for me or anyone else to learn from. ¯_(ツ)_/¯