My reply to Abram is relevant here: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/MdZyLnLHuaHrCskjy/itt-passing-and-civility-are-good-charity-is-bad?commentId=qxLsjFbhNMeDXAjSb
My reply to Abram is relevant here: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/MdZyLnLHuaHrCskjy/itt-passing-and-civility-are-good-charity-is-bad?commentId=qxLsjFbhNMeDXAjSb