I think what you’re saying is that if we want a coherent, nontrivial definition of “under our control” then the most natural one is “everything that depends on the neural signals from your brain”. But this definition, while relatively clean from the outside, doesn’t correspond to what we ordinarily mean; for example, if you have a mental illness, this would suggest that “stop having that illness!!” is reasonable advice, because your illness is “under your control”.
I don’t know enough neuroscience to give this a physical backing, but there are certain conscious decisions or mental moves that feel like they’re very much under my control, and I’d say the things under my control are just those, plus the things I can reliably affect using them. I think the correct intuitive definition of “locus of control” is “those things you can do if you want to”.
Regarding causal arrows between your IQ and your thoughts, I don’t think this is a well-defined query. Causality is entirely about hypothetical interventions; to say “your way of thinking affects your IQ” is just to say that if I was to change your way of thinking, I could change your IQ.
But how would I change your way of thinking? There has to be an understanding of what is being held constant, or of what range of changes we’re talking about. For instance we could change your way of thinking to any that you’d likely reach from different future influences, or to any that people similar to you have had, etc. Normally what we care about is the sort of intervention that we could actually do or draw predictions from, so the first one here is what we mean. And to some degree it’s true, your IQ would be changed.
From the other end, what does it mean to say your way of thinking is affected by your IQ? It means if we were to “modify your IQ” without doing anything else to affect your thinking, then your way of thinking would be altered. This seems true, though hard to pin down, since IQ is normally thought of as a scalar, rather than a whole range of phenomena like your “way of thinking”. IQ is sort of an amalgam of different abilities and qualities, so if we look closely enough we’ll find that IQ can’t directly affect anything at all, similarly to how g can’t (“it wasn’t your IQ that helped you come up with those ideas, it was your working memory, and creativity, and visualization ability!”); but on the other hand if most things that increase IQ make the same sort of difference (eg to academic success) then it’s fairly compact and useful to say that IQ affects those things.
Uh.. “stop having that illness!” is reasonable advice. Seek help. Try medication. Enter into psychotherapy. I’m not sure what you are objecting to there?
Well, you’re right that in the mental illness case my definition works badly, but I can’t think about a better precise definition right now (can you?); probably something like selecting a specific “sub-process” in brain which is related to the conscious experience, but it’s fuzzy and I’m not even sure that such separation is possible.
I think the correct intuitive definition of “locus of control” is “those things you can do if you want to”.
I have a feeling that it is a rephrasing of “things under your control”.
Causality is entirely about hypothetical interventions; to say “your way of thinking affects your IQ” is just to say that if I was to change your way of thinking, I could change your IQ.
Actually, I’m arguing that causal arrows are pointing in the opposite direction: if I was to change your IQ, I could change your way of thinking. The rest of article is about what happens if we assume IQ fixed (that somehow resembles Bayesian inference).
I’m arguing that the fuzzy-ish definition that corresponds to our everyday experience/usage is better than the crisp one that doesn’t.
Re IQ and “way of thinking”, I’m arguing they both affect each other, but neither is entirely under conscious control, so it’s a bit of a moot point.
Apropos the original point, under my usual circumstances (not malnourished, hanging out with smart people, reading and thinking about engaging, complex things that can be analyzed and have reasonable success measures, etc), my IQ is mostly not under my control. (Perhaps if I was more focused on measurements, nootropics, and getting enough sleep, I could increase my IQ a bit; but not very much, I think.) YMMV.
I think what you’re saying is that if we want a coherent, nontrivial definition of “under our control” then the most natural one is “everything that depends on the neural signals from your brain”. But this definition, while relatively clean from the outside, doesn’t correspond to what we ordinarily mean; for example, if you have a mental illness, this would suggest that “stop having that illness!!” is reasonable advice, because your illness is “under your control”.
I don’t know enough neuroscience to give this a physical backing, but there are certain conscious decisions or mental moves that feel like they’re very much under my control, and I’d say the things under my control are just those, plus the things I can reliably affect using them. I think the correct intuitive definition of “locus of control” is “those things you can do if you want to”.
Regarding causal arrows between your IQ and your thoughts, I don’t think this is a well-defined query. Causality is entirely about hypothetical interventions; to say “your way of thinking affects your IQ” is just to say that if I was to change your way of thinking, I could change your IQ.
But how would I change your way of thinking? There has to be an understanding of what is being held constant, or of what range of changes we’re talking about. For instance we could change your way of thinking to any that you’d likely reach from different future influences, or to any that people similar to you have had, etc. Normally what we care about is the sort of intervention that we could actually do or draw predictions from, so the first one here is what we mean. And to some degree it’s true, your IQ would be changed.
From the other end, what does it mean to say your way of thinking is affected by your IQ? It means if we were to “modify your IQ” without doing anything else to affect your thinking, then your way of thinking would be altered. This seems true, though hard to pin down, since IQ is normally thought of as a scalar, rather than a whole range of phenomena like your “way of thinking”. IQ is sort of an amalgam of different abilities and qualities, so if we look closely enough we’ll find that IQ can’t directly affect anything at all, similarly to how g can’t (“it wasn’t your IQ that helped you come up with those ideas, it was your working memory, and creativity, and visualization ability!”); but on the other hand if most things that increase IQ make the same sort of difference (eg to academic success) then it’s fairly compact and useful to say that IQ affects those things.
Causality with fuzzy concepts is tricky.
Uh.. “stop having that illness!” is reasonable advice. Seek help. Try medication. Enter into psychotherapy. I’m not sure what you are objecting to there?
Certainly, interventions may be available, just as for anything else; but it’s not fundamentally more accessible or malleable than other things.
Well, you’re right that in the mental illness case my definition works badly, but I can’t think about a better precise definition right now (can you?); probably something like selecting a specific “sub-process” in brain which is related to the conscious experience, but it’s fuzzy and I’m not even sure that such separation is possible.
I have a feeling that it is a rephrasing of “things under your control”.
Actually, I’m arguing that causal arrows are pointing in the opposite direction: if I was to change your IQ, I could change your way of thinking. The rest of article is about what happens if we assume IQ fixed (that somehow resembles Bayesian inference).
I’m arguing that the fuzzy-ish definition that corresponds to our everyday experience/usage is better than the crisp one that doesn’t.
Re IQ and “way of thinking”, I’m arguing they both affect each other, but neither is entirely under conscious control, so it’s a bit of a moot point.
Apropos the original point, under my usual circumstances (not malnourished, hanging out with smart people, reading and thinking about engaging, complex things that can be analyzed and have reasonable success measures, etc), my IQ is mostly not under my control. (Perhaps if I was more focused on measurements, nootropics, and getting enough sleep, I could increase my IQ a bit; but not very much, I think.) YMMV.