I still the 25-30% estimate in my original post was basically correct. I think the typical SACC adjustment for single-hose air conditioners ends up being 15%, not 25-30%. I agree this adjustment is based on generous assumptions (5.4 degrees of cooling whereas 10 seems like a more reasonable estimate). If you correct for that, you seem to get to more like 25-30%. The Goodhart effect is much smaller than this 25-30%, I still think 10% is plausible.
I admit that in total I’ve spent significantly more than 1.5 hours researching air conditioners :) So I’m planning to check out now. If you want to post something else, you are welcome to have the last word.
SACC for 1-hose AC seems to be 15% lower than similar 2-hose models, not 25-30%:
This site argues for 2-hose ACs being better than 1-hose ACs and cites SACC being 15% lower.
This site does a comparison of some unspecified pair of ACs and gets 10⁄11.6 = 14% reduction.
I agree the DOE estimate is too generous to 1-hose AC, though I think it’s <2x:
The SACC adjustment assumes 5.4 degrees of cooling on average, just as you say. I’d guess the real average use case, weighted by importance, is closer to 10 degrees of cooling. I’m skeptical the number is >10—e.g. 95 degree heat is quite rare in the US, and if it’s really hot you will be using real AC not a cheap portable AC (you can’t really cool most rooms from 95->80 with these Acs, so those can’t really be very common). Overall the DOE methodology seems basically reasonable up to a few degrees of error.
Still looks similar to my initial estimate:
I’d bet that the simple formula I suggested was close to correct. Apparently 85->80 degrees gives you 15% lower efficiency (11% is the output from my formula). 90->80 would be 20% on my formula but may be more like 30% (e.g. if the gap was explained by me overestimating exhaust temp).
So that seems like it’s basically still lining up with the 25-30% I suggested initially, and it’s for basically the same reasons. The main thing I think was wrong was me saying “see stats” when it was kind of coincidental that the top rated AC you linked was very inefficient in addition to having a single hose (or something, I don’t remember what happened).
The Goodhart effect would be significantly smaller than that:
I think people primarily estimate AC effectiveness by how cool it makes them and the room, not how cool the air coming out of the AC is.
The DOE thinks (and I’m inclined to believe) that most of the air that’s pulled in is coming through the window and so heats the room with the AC.
Other rooms in the house will generally be warmer than the room being air conditioned, so infiltration from them would still warm the room (and to the extent it doesn’t, people do still care more about the AC’d room).
I still the 25-30% estimate in my original post was basically correct. I think the typical SACC adjustment for single-hose air conditioners ends up being 15%, not 25-30%. I agree this adjustment is based on generous assumptions (5.4 degrees of cooling whereas 10 seems like a more reasonable estimate). If you correct for that, you seem to get to more like 25-30%. The Goodhart effect is much smaller than this 25-30%, I still think 10% is plausible.
I admit that in total I’ve spent significantly more than 1.5 hours researching air conditioners :) So I’m planning to check out now. If you want to post something else, you are welcome to have the last word.
SACC for 1-hose AC seems to be 15% lower than similar 2-hose models, not 25-30%:
This site argues for 2-hose ACs being better than 1-hose ACs and cites SACC being 15% lower.
The top 2-hose AC on amazon has 14,000 BTU that gets adjusted down to 9500 BTU = 68%. This similarly-sized 1-hose AC is 13,000 BTU and gets adjusted down to 8000 BTU = 61.5%, about 10% lower.
This site does a comparison of some unspecified pair of ACs and gets 10⁄11.6 = 14% reduction.
I agree the DOE estimate is too generous to 1-hose AC, though I think it’s <2x:
The SACC adjustment assumes 5.4 degrees of cooling on average, just as you say. I’d guess the real average use case, weighted by importance, is closer to 10 degrees of cooling. I’m skeptical the number is >10—e.g. 95 degree heat is quite rare in the US, and if it’s really hot you will be using real AC not a cheap portable AC (you can’t really cool most rooms from 95->80 with these Acs, so those can’t really be very common). Overall the DOE methodology seems basically reasonable up to a few degrees of error.
Still looks similar to my initial estimate:
I’d bet that the simple formula I suggested was close to correct. Apparently 85->80 degrees gives you 15% lower efficiency (11% is the output from my formula). 90->80 would be 20% on my formula but may be more like 30% (e.g. if the gap was explained by me overestimating exhaust temp).
So that seems like it’s basically still lining up with the 25-30% I suggested initially, and it’s for basically the same reasons. The main thing I think was wrong was me saying “see stats” when it was kind of coincidental that the top rated AC you linked was very inefficient in addition to having a single hose (or something, I don’t remember what happened).
The Goodhart effect would be significantly smaller than that:
I think people primarily estimate AC effectiveness by how cool it makes them and the room, not how cool the air coming out of the AC is.
The DOE thinks (and I’m inclined to believe) that most of the air that’s pulled in is coming through the window and so heats the room with the AC.
Other rooms in the house will generally be warmer than the room being air conditioned, so infiltration from them would still warm the room (and to the extent it doesn’t, people do still care more about the AC’d room).
If you wouldn’t mind one last question before checking out: where did that formula you’re using come from?