Cheers! I used blue and green because the grue and bleen example is a standard philosophical one, and it’s not hard to make pretty rigorous (as Lumifer suggested, with the radiation frequency, and some outside conditions added to it). The pretty rigorous definition is only a partial match for the subjective blue and green, as you pointed out, and I’ll try and make that clearer in any subsequent write-up.
it’s not hard to make pretty rigorous (as Lumifer suggested, with the radiation frequency, and some outside conditions added to it).
Taking “outside conditions” into account to produce an objective definition of color that does a good job of corresponding to human color sensations is actually extremely complex and a very difficult task. Human color sensations are the result of extremely complex and highly contextual processing. I have studied color vision a great deal, and it is very, very common for people to underestimate the complexity and contextual nature of color perception.
Also, you’re already conceding that color is not a property of a single object, which would make color a poor example of a property of an object.
Anyway, I’ll take your response as a sign that you are comfortable with the problematic nature of your example, and the more pressing concern is playing nice with philosophical tradition/convention. So, I consider the issue closed.
Cheers! I used blue and green because the grue and bleen example is a standard philosophical one, and it’s not hard to make pretty rigorous (as Lumifer suggested, with the radiation frequency, and some outside conditions added to it). The pretty rigorous definition is only a partial match for the subjective blue and green, as you pointed out, and I’ll try and make that clearer in any subsequent write-up.
Taking “outside conditions” into account to produce an objective definition of color that does a good job of corresponding to human color sensations is actually extremely complex and a very difficult task. Human color sensations are the result of extremely complex and highly contextual processing. I have studied color vision a great deal, and it is very, very common for people to underestimate the complexity and contextual nature of color perception.
Also, you’re already conceding that color is not a property of a single object, which would make color a poor example of a property of an object.
Anyway, I’ll take your response as a sign that you are comfortable with the problematic nature of your example, and the more pressing concern is playing nice with philosophical tradition/convention. So, I consider the issue closed.