in a public place where anyone can read what either of you two is saying
In reddit, once you go a dozen comments deep and once the main post is no longer hot, you can be pretty sure that nobody is keeping up with your discussion. In LW, where we have “recent comments” section, this is less certain.
I do not view the thread you linked as a particularly strong example of a demon thread
Near the end the thread has “You’ve dratically missed the point of all that I’ve said, missed what I was doing and latched on to only the propositional content of those sentences that I wrote.” , I think that’s how you’d expect a demon thread to end up. I’m referring to the discussion between SaidAchmiz and dsatan, not Valentine, sorry if that was unclear from my link. I also only skimmed it too, but I think that’s good enough—the defining properties of a demon thread aren’t that sensitive to the particular arguments used.
the stakes in status
Why is everyone bringing this up? The very beginning of Raemon’s original demon thread post says “If someone in the future linked you to this post, it’s probably because a giant sprawling mess of angry, confused comments is happening—or is about to happen—and it’s going to waste a lot of time, make people upset, and probably less likely to listen to each other about whatever the conversation ostensibly is about.”. My example is a demon thread, because it is a sprawling mess of angry, confused comments that waste time and make people upset. If it doesn’t have stakes in status, then stakes in status don’t cause demon threads, not the other way around.
there are much clearer cases to point to.
Go ahead, point to them. I only chose that thread because I recently noticed it by chance.
In reddit, once you go a dozen comments deep and once the main post is no longer hot, you can be pretty sure that nobody is keeping up with your discussion. In LW, where we have “recent comments” section, this is less certain.
Near the end the thread has “You’ve dratically missed the point of all that I’ve said, missed what I was doing and latched on to only the propositional content of those sentences that I wrote.” , I think that’s how you’d expect a demon thread to end up. I’m referring to the discussion between SaidAchmiz and dsatan, not Valentine, sorry if that was unclear from my link. I also only skimmed it too, but I think that’s good enough—the defining properties of a demon thread aren’t that sensitive to the particular arguments used.
Why is everyone bringing this up? The very beginning of Raemon’s original demon thread post says “If someone in the future linked you to this post, it’s probably because a giant sprawling mess of angry, confused comments is happening—or is about to happen—and it’s going to waste a lot of time, make people upset, and probably less likely to listen to each other about whatever the conversation ostensibly is about.”. My example is a demon thread, because it is a sprawling mess of angry, confused comments that waste time and make people upset. If it doesn’t have stakes in status, then stakes in status don’t cause demon threads, not the other way around.
Go ahead, point to them. I only chose that thread because I recently noticed it by chance.