Do you expect to see those sorts of objections here?
No. But I’m disappointed people are so naive to actually suggest that testing for IQ directly may be more politically doable than just rigging the country and education quotas to get the same effect.
What do you seek to accomplish with your sarcasm?
Same as any person who uses sarcasm.
But to be a bit less confrontational, I’m just bloody tired of the whole debate. And I’m tired with the whole magical thinking that surrounds squishy social knock off effects that certain truths may or may not have. Having to constantly reiterate the basic arguments and taking people by the hand and leading them over the data and literature, only for people to eventually quiet down perhaps mumbling something about how its probably true but we can’t ever talk about it because it will make things so much worse… And this is the very best case scenario! Even on pretty reasonable sites with high standards lots of people instantly go into arguments as soldiers mode.
The debate literally has nothing new of interest to offer, since I’ve visited all the branches of that conversation and LW rarely searches more than two or three levels into that space. I keep having to explain the same elementary principles over and over and over again (LW is better in this regard but only by degree or two, I mean heck you still get people trying to claim intelligence dosen’t matter for socio-economic outcomes or confusing the remaining “nurture” as in non-heritable factors with something that is automatically fixable by some social policy, instead of a confusing sea of many different crazy random stuff like what you get in nearly every biological system in animals that we have even less idea how to influence without nasty side effects than splicing its genes).
Rereading the original reply I made, sure perhaps its a bit harsh and maybe I should have just been quiet, so perhaps my emotions got the best of me. Usually I try to invest some effort into the replies I give on this site. Today I just went with the accurate, fun and perhaps a somewhat bitter thing to write.
No. But I’m disappointed people are so naive to actually suggest that testing for IQ directly may be more politically doable than just rigging the country and education quotas to get the same effect.
I suspect they were discussing desirability, not feasibility. If we, say, limited Indian migration to the US to just Gujaratis, we wouldn’t get as good results as if we limited Indian migrants to the US to just those above IQ 120, even if Gujaratis are disproportionately represented among high IQ Indians.
I suspect they were discussing desirability, not feasibility. If we, say, limited Indian migration to the US to just Gujaratis, we wouldn’t get as good results as if we limited Indian migrants to the US to just those above IQ 120, even if Gujaratis are disproportionately represented among high IQ Indians.
Do you expect to see those sorts of objections here? What do you seek to accomplish with your sarcasm?
No. But I’m disappointed people are so naive to actually suggest that testing for IQ directly may be more politically doable than just rigging the country and education quotas to get the same effect.
Same as any person who uses sarcasm.
But to be a bit less confrontational, I’m just bloody tired of the whole debate. And I’m tired with the whole magical thinking that surrounds squishy social knock off effects that certain truths may or may not have. Having to constantly reiterate the basic arguments and taking people by the hand and leading them over the data and literature, only for people to eventually quiet down perhaps mumbling something about how its probably true but we can’t ever talk about it because it will make things so much worse… And this is the very best case scenario! Even on pretty reasonable sites with high standards lots of people instantly go into arguments as soldiers mode.
The debate literally has nothing new of interest to offer, since I’ve visited all the branches of that conversation and LW rarely searches more than two or three levels into that space. I keep having to explain the same elementary principles over and over and over again (LW is better in this regard but only by degree or two, I mean heck you still get people trying to claim intelligence dosen’t matter for socio-economic outcomes or confusing the remaining “nurture” as in non-heritable factors with something that is automatically fixable by some social policy, instead of a confusing sea of many different crazy random stuff like what you get in nearly every biological system in animals that we have even less idea how to influence without nasty side effects than splicing its genes).
Rereading the original reply I made, sure perhaps its a bit harsh and maybe I should have just been quiet, so perhaps my emotions got the best of me. Usually I try to invest some effort into the replies I give on this site. Today I just went with the accurate, fun and perhaps a somewhat bitter thing to write.
I suspect they were discussing desirability, not feasibility. If we, say, limited Indian migration to the US to just Gujaratis, we wouldn’t get as good results as if we limited Indian migrants to the US to just those above IQ 120, even if Gujaratis are disproportionately represented among high IQ Indians.
I understand and sympathize.
On the matter of desirability I tend to agree.