I was using ‘innate’ means “something present in a person’s brain and/or skill-set when they start trying to learn how to program.” It might have something to do with how open-minded they’ve been in the past to learning new ideas, because if they’ve been open to that, then they’ll have a wider base of knowledge and practice thinking about problems at a certain level of abstraction. I don’t think it’s necessarily innate as in “determinable at birth”–in fact, that seems really unlikely to me, but what I know about the subject doesn’t allow me to distinguish those possibilities. (The phrase ‘inner talent’ is one I’ve never heard used before and would not have thought to use, so I don’t know exactly what area it would cover.)
Do you agree that some people will start learning programming and find it easy, intuitive, and immediately fun, and not have to put in a lot of conscious effort, whereas others will need to lean much more on their capacity for mental change and learning? This is what I’m talking about.
Yes, on that I agree. I suppose I was more disagreeing on the choice of word than on the concept of something being already there in some and lacking in others. The dictionary definitions (referring to Dictionary.com and my old pocket dict) of “innate” all seem utterly inappropriate for this usage.
However, I’ll still nitpick on the point of conscious effort. My “definition” of inner talent is that of an abstract representation of the “source” of the talent in question. An “outer” talent is one where, to explain by example, a person’s genetic profile is directly favorable to athletics by producing the required muscle mass more efficiently with less prodding, and recovering from exercising damage more easily, and so on. By contrast, an “inner” talent is one where synergies, “affinities” in the system, side-routes, or other indirect or invisible. I always fail to find the words to explain complex dynamics where various seemingly-unrelated things converge to the same location to push in the same direction, but that’s about the kind of psychological or physical events I’m trying to refer to with “inner” talents.
Some person will have no particular skill or strength that is directly beneficial towards chopping wood, but once they try, suddenly a bunch of unrelated past experiences or other points about their current self help them catch on quickly to just the right way of holding the axe and establishing their footing and swinging and so on.
What I want to make a point for is that both the processes of awakening an inner talent or slowly going through all the steps from nothing can be either conscious or unconscious. This will depend on many factors that may not be obvious.
I agree that I probably shouldn’t have used the word ‘innate’; given the meanings people associate with it, it was more likely to confuse people than help. Maybe “prior talent” or something similar?
My “definition” of inner talent is that of an abstract representation of the “source” of the talent in question. An “outer” talent is one where, to explain by example, a person’s genetic profile is directly favorable to athletics by producing the required muscle mass more efficiently with less prodding, and recovering from exercising damage more easily, and so on. By contrast, an “inner” talent is one where synergies, “affinities” in the system, side-routes, or other indirect or invisible. I always fail to find the words to explain complex dynamics where various seemingly-unrelated things converge to the same location to push in the same direction, but that’s about the kind of psychological or physical events I’m trying to refer to with “inner” talents.
I think I understand the concept you’re trying to convey, but I find that youre’re using the words ‘inner’ and ‘outer’ in a very unconventional way that I’ve never heard before, which is also likely to confuse.
I was using ‘innate’ means “something present in a person’s brain and/or skill-set when they start trying to learn how to program.” It might have something to do with how open-minded they’ve been in the past to learning new ideas, because if they’ve been open to that, then they’ll have a wider base of knowledge and practice thinking about problems at a certain level of abstraction. I don’t think it’s necessarily innate as in “determinable at birth”–in fact, that seems really unlikely to me, but what I know about the subject doesn’t allow me to distinguish those possibilities. (The phrase ‘inner talent’ is one I’ve never heard used before and would not have thought to use, so I don’t know exactly what area it would cover.)
Do you agree that some people will start learning programming and find it easy, intuitive, and immediately fun, and not have to put in a lot of conscious effort, whereas others will need to lean much more on their capacity for mental change and learning? This is what I’m talking about.
Yes, on that I agree. I suppose I was more disagreeing on the choice of word than on the concept of something being already there in some and lacking in others. The dictionary definitions (referring to Dictionary.com and my old pocket dict) of “innate” all seem utterly inappropriate for this usage.
However, I’ll still nitpick on the point of conscious effort. My “definition” of inner talent is that of an abstract representation of the “source” of the talent in question. An “outer” talent is one where, to explain by example, a person’s genetic profile is directly favorable to athletics by producing the required muscle mass more efficiently with less prodding, and recovering from exercising damage more easily, and so on. By contrast, an “inner” talent is one where synergies, “affinities” in the system, side-routes, or other indirect or invisible. I always fail to find the words to explain complex dynamics where various seemingly-unrelated things converge to the same location to push in the same direction, but that’s about the kind of psychological or physical events I’m trying to refer to with “inner” talents.
Some person will have no particular skill or strength that is directly beneficial towards chopping wood, but once they try, suddenly a bunch of unrelated past experiences or other points about their current self help them catch on quickly to just the right way of holding the axe and establishing their footing and swinging and so on.
What I want to make a point for is that both the processes of awakening an inner talent or slowly going through all the steps from nothing can be either conscious or unconscious. This will depend on many factors that may not be obvious.
I agree that I probably shouldn’t have used the word ‘innate’; given the meanings people associate with it, it was more likely to confuse people than help. Maybe “prior talent” or something similar?
I think I understand the concept you’re trying to convey, but I find that youre’re using the words ‘inner’ and ‘outer’ in a very unconventional way that I’ve never heard before, which is also likely to confuse.