I don’t really understand the point of this thought experiment, because if it wasn’t phrased in such a mysterious manner, it wouldn’t seem relevant to computational functionalism.
I’m sorry my summary of the thought experiment wasn’t precise enough for you. You’re welcome to read Chalmers’ original paper for more details, which I link to at the top of that section.
I also don’t understand a single one of your arguments against computational functionalism
I gave very brief recaps of my arguments from the other posts in the sequence here so I can connect those arguments to more general CF (rather than theoretical & practical CF). Sorry if they’re too fast. You are welcome to go into the previous posts I link to for more details.
and that’s because I think you don’t understand them either.
What am I supposed to do with this? The one effect this has is to piss me off and make me less interested in engaging with anything you’ve said.
You can’t just claim that consciousness is “real”
This is an assumption I state at the top of this very article.
and computation is not
I don’t “just claim” this, this is what I argue in the theoretical CF post I link to.
You haven’t even defined what “real” is.
I define this when I state my “realism about phenomenal consciousness” assumption, to the precision I judge is necessary for this discussion.
most people actually take the opposite approch: computation is the most “real” thing out there, and the universe—and any consciouses therein—arise from it
Big claims. Nothing to back it up. Not sure why you expect me to update on this.
how is computation being fuzzy even related to this question? Consciousness can be the same way.
This is all covered in the theoretical CF post I link to.
and that’s because I think you don’t understand them either.
What am I supposed to do with this? The one effect this has is to piss me off and make me less interested in engaging with anything you’ve said.
Why is that the one effect? Jordan Peterson says that the one answer he routinely gives to Christians and atheists that piss them off is, “what do you mean by that?” In an interview with Alex O’Conner he says,
So people will say, well, do you believe that happened literally, historically? It’s like, well, yes, I believe that it’s okay. Okay. What do you mean by that? That you believe that exactly. Yeah. So, so you tell me you’re there in the way that you describe it.
Right, right. What do you see? What are the fish doing exactly? And the answer is you don’t know. You have no notion about it at all. You have no theory about it. Sure. You have no theory about it. So your belief is, what’s your belief exactly?
(25:19–25:36, The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast − 451. Navigating Belief, Skepticism, and the Afterlife w/ Alex O’Connor)
Sure, this pisses off a lot of people, but it also gets some people thinking about what they actually mean. So, there’s your answer: you’re supposed to go back and figure out what you mean. A side benefit is if it pisses you off, maybe I won’t see your writing anymore. I’m pretty annoyed at how the quality of posts has gone down on this website in the past few years.
I’m sorry my summary of the thought experiment wasn’t precise enough for you. You’re welcome to read Chalmers’ original paper for more details, which I link to at the top of that section.
I gave very brief recaps of my arguments from the other posts in the sequence here so I can connect those arguments to more general CF (rather than theoretical & practical CF). Sorry if they’re too fast. You are welcome to go into the previous posts I link to for more details.
What am I supposed to do with this? The one effect this has is to piss me off and make me less interested in engaging with anything you’ve said.
This is an assumption I state at the top of this very article.
I don’t “just claim” this, this is what I argue in the theoretical CF post I link to.
I define this when I state my “realism about phenomenal consciousness” assumption, to the precision I judge is necessary for this discussion.
Big claims. Nothing to back it up. Not sure why you expect me to update on this.
This is all covered in the theoretical CF post I link to.
Why is that the one effect? Jordan Peterson says that the one answer he routinely gives to Christians and atheists that piss them off is, “what do you mean by that?” In an interview with Alex O’Conner he says,
Sure, this pisses off a lot of people, but it also gets some people thinking about what they actually mean. So, there’s your answer: you’re supposed to go back and figure out what you mean. A side benefit is if it pisses you off, maybe I won’t see your writing anymore. I’m pretty annoyed at how the quality of posts has gone down on this website in the past few years.