If you record me saying “I wouldn’t say I’m very interested in cars”, you just cut out the first part of the video, and now you have me saying “I’m very interested in cars”.
This is exactly an example where if you also record the conversation, and then write a short post saying “I said this …, he reported that …, listen for yourself here …”, this should make me dramatically lose credibility among anyone who knows you. (Plus a small chance of your article getting viral. Or at least anytime anyone mentions my name in the future, someone else can link your article in reply.)
Also, if e.g. everyone in the rationalist community started doing this, we could collectively keep one wiki page containing all of this. (A page with more examples is a more useful resource.) And every rationalist who doesn’t have previous experience with journalists could easily look up a name there.
But things like that happen all the time, and most things that people know about most topics are superficial, meaning that they’ve only heard the accusations, and that they’re only going to encounter the correction if they care to have a conversation about the topic. If the topic is politically biased, and these people spend time in politically biased communities, then it’s unlikely that anyone is going to show them the evidence that they’re wrong. You’re not incorrect, but think about the ratio of rationalists to non-rationalists. The reach of the media vs the amount of people who will bother to correct people who don’t know the full story.
It would also be easy for the website in question to say “You’re been accused of doing X, which is bad. We don’t tolerate bad behaviour on your platform” and ban you before you get to defend yourself. If the misunderstanding is bad enough, online websites can simply decide that even talking about you, or “defending you” is a sign of bad behaviour (I think this sort of happened to Kanye West because we had a manic episode in which he communicated things which are hard to understand and easy to misunderstand)
we could collectively keep one wiki page containing all of this
There’s a Wikipedia page on “Gamergate”, written largely by people who don’t know what happened. And there’s a “Gamergate Wiki” with tons of information (44 pages) with every detail documented in chronological order. I want to ask you two questions about this Wiki with the “other side of the story”:
1: Have you ever heard of it? 2: Can you even find it? (the only link I have myself is an archived page)
By coincidence, 1 yes, but 2 no. And yes, that is a good example of how one side of the debate was nuked from the entire internet, which many people would believe impossible.
(Could you please send me the link in a private message?)
I mostly agree, just some nitpicking:
This is exactly an example where if you also record the conversation, and then write a short post saying “I said this …, he reported that …, listen for yourself here …”, this should make me dramatically lose credibility among anyone who knows you. (Plus a small chance of your article getting viral. Or at least anytime anyone mentions my name in the future, someone else can link your article in reply.)
Also, if e.g. everyone in the rationalist community started doing this, we could collectively keep one wiki page containing all of this. (A page with more examples is a more useful resource.) And every rationalist who doesn’t have previous experience with journalists could easily look up a name there.
But things like that happen all the time, and most things that people know about most topics are superficial, meaning that they’ve only heard the accusations, and that they’re only going to encounter the correction if they care to have a conversation about the topic. If the topic is politically biased, and these people spend time in politically biased communities, then it’s unlikely that anyone is going to show them the evidence that they’re wrong. You’re not incorrect, but think about the ratio of rationalists to non-rationalists. The reach of the media vs the amount of people who will bother to correct people who don’t know the full story.
It would also be easy for the website in question to say “You’re been accused of doing X, which is bad. We don’t tolerate bad behaviour on your platform” and ban you before you get to defend yourself. If the misunderstanding is bad enough, online websites can simply decide that even talking about you, or “defending you” is a sign of bad behaviour (I think this sort of happened to Kanye West because we had a manic episode in which he communicated things which are hard to understand and easy to misunderstand)
There’s a Wikipedia page on “Gamergate”, written largely by people who don’t know what happened. And there’s a “Gamergate Wiki” with tons of information (44 pages) with every detail documented in chronological order. I want to ask you two questions about this Wiki with the “other side of the story”:
1: Have you ever heard of it?
2: Can you even find it? (the only link I have myself is an archived page)
By coincidence, 1 yes, but 2 no. And yes, that is a good example of how one side of the debate was nuked from the entire internet, which many people would believe impossible.
(Could you please send me the link in a private message?)