As a mostly-vegetarian person myself, I find this article’s primary moral point very unconvincing.
Yes, factory farms are terrible, and we should make them illegal. But not all meat is raised on factory farms. Chickens and cattle who are raised ethically (which can still produce decent yields, though obviously less than factory farms) have lower levels of stress hormones than comparable wild animals. We can’t measure happiness directly in these low-light animals, but stress hormones are a very good analogue for an enjoyable life, and we know that high levels are directly linked to poorer health outcomes (and thus likely suffering).
It’s simply not that hard to raise food animals in a way that makes them better off than wild animals, and so unless you’re strongly in the “reform nature” transhumanist strain, ethical animal farming is at least somewhat of a positive over not farming at all.
(I’m personally vegetarian by ecological reasons, and abstain from eating some animals due to moral compunction against eating things likely to be sentient.)
This is correct. But the vast, vast majority of meat the typical consumer is likely to run into is raised on factory farms, so it’s essentially true to equate meat with factory farmed meat.
It’s simply not that hard to raise food animals in a way that makes them better off than wild animals
And yet it’s extraordinarily difficult to actually find meat from animals that were raised truly humanely. See this comment.
Also, I think the standard one should apply is whether an animal has a good life, not whether it as a life better than it would if it were in the wild. If you have a life that is very not worth living, it would better to not exist than to move up to having a life that is only moderately not worth living.
Ninjaedit: Actually, I think I misunderstood your point about farm animals having lives better than wild animals. Are you saying that it’s worth it to have non-factory-farmed farm animals when their lives are better than those of comparable wild animals, because they displace the existence of those wild animals?
Well, there’s even more debate over the criteria for “this entity’s death is sad” than “this entity’s suffering is sad”. Since, as other posters have noted, the massively overwhelming majority of meat is factory-farmed, this point still seems pretty important while being much easier to show.
Chickens and cattle who are raised ethically (which can still produce decent yields, though obviously less than factory farms) have lower levels of stress hormones than comparable wild animals.
Do you happen to have a source for this? Not that I particularly doubt this, but it would be useful information.
As a mostly-vegetarian person myself, I find this article’s primary moral point very unconvincing.
Yes, factory farms are terrible, and we should make them illegal. But not all meat is raised on factory farms. Chickens and cattle who are raised ethically (which can still produce decent yields, though obviously less than factory farms) have lower levels of stress hormones than comparable wild animals. We can’t measure happiness directly in these low-light animals, but stress hormones are a very good analogue for an enjoyable life, and we know that high levels are directly linked to poorer health outcomes (and thus likely suffering).
It’s simply not that hard to raise food animals in a way that makes them better off than wild animals, and so unless you’re strongly in the “reform nature” transhumanist strain, ethical animal farming is at least somewhat of a positive over not farming at all.
(I’m personally vegetarian by ecological reasons, and abstain from eating some animals due to moral compunction against eating things likely to be sentient.)
This is correct. But the vast, vast majority of meat the typical consumer is likely to run into is raised on factory farms, so it’s essentially true to equate meat with factory farmed meat.
And yet it’s extraordinarily difficult to actually find meat from animals that were raised truly humanely. See this comment.
Also, I think the standard one should apply is whether an animal has a good life, not whether it as a life better than it would if it were in the wild. If you have a life that is very not worth living, it would better to not exist than to move up to having a life that is only moderately not worth living.
Ninjaedit: Actually, I think I misunderstood your point about farm animals having lives better than wild animals. Are you saying that it’s worth it to have non-factory-farmed farm animals when their lives are better than those of comparable wild animals, because they displace the existence of those wild animals?
Well, there’s even more debate over the criteria for “this entity’s death is sad” than “this entity’s suffering is sad”. Since, as other posters have noted, the massively overwhelming majority of meat is factory-farmed, this point still seems pretty important while being much easier to show.
Do you happen to have a source for this? Not that I particularly doubt this, but it would be useful information.