everything good in all of history is from voluntary means
I understand this assertion. I don’t think I believe it.
ppl initiate force when they fail to persuade
Kinda. When using force is simpler/cheaper than persuasion. And persuading people that they need to die is kinda hard :-/
The words have meanings.
Words have a variety of meanings which also tend to heavily depend on the context. If you want to convey precise meaning, you need not only to use words precisely, but also to convey to your communication partner which particular meaning you attach to these words.
Right here is an example: I interpret you using words like “cripple” and “torture” as tools of emotional impact. In my experience this is how people use them (outside of specific technical areas). If you mean something else, you need to tell me: you need to define the words you use.
It’s not a replacement for talking about issues you think are important, it’s a prerequisite to meaningful communication.
So you said “I’m using strong words b/c they correspond to my intended claims” and that tells me nothing. So you basically want to say that conventional upbringing is bad? Extra bad? Super duper extra bad? Are there any nuances, any particular kind of bad?
And persuading people that they need to die is kinda hard :-/
ppl don’t need to die, that’s wrong.
I understand this assertion. I don’t think I believe it.
that’s the part where you give an argument.
“torture” has an English meaning separate from emotional impact. you already know what it is. if you wanted to have a productive conversation you’d do things like ask for examples or give an example and ask if i mean that.
you don’t seem to be aware that you’re reading a summary essay and there’s a lot more material, details, etc. you aren’t treating it that way. and i don’t think you want references to a lot more reading.
to begin with, are you aware of many common ways force is initiated against children?
Nope, that’s true only if I want to engage in this discussion and I don’t. Been there, done that, waiting for the t-shirt.
i don’t suppose you or anyone else wrote down your reasoning. (this is the part where either you provide no references, or you provide one that i have a refutation of, and then you don’t respond to the problems with your reference. to save time, let’s just skip ahead and agree that you’re unserious, ignorant, and mistaken.)
Yes. Using that meaning, the sentence “I mean psychological “torture” literally” is false.
i disagree that it’s false. you aren’t giving an argument.
are you aware of many common ways force is initiated against children?
Of course. So?
well if you don’t want to talk about it, then i guess you can continue your life of sin.
I understand this assertion. I don’t think I believe it.
Kinda. When using force is simpler/cheaper than persuasion. And persuading people that they need to die is kinda hard :-/
Words have a variety of meanings which also tend to heavily depend on the context. If you want to convey precise meaning, you need not only to use words precisely, but also to convey to your communication partner which particular meaning you attach to these words.
Right here is an example: I interpret you using words like “cripple” and “torture” as tools of emotional impact. In my experience this is how people use them (outside of specific technical areas). If you mean something else, you need to tell me: you need to define the words you use.
It’s not a replacement for talking about issues you think are important, it’s a prerequisite to meaningful communication.
So you said “I’m using strong words b/c they correspond to my intended claims” and that tells me nothing. So you basically want to say that conventional upbringing is bad? Extra bad? Super duper extra bad? Are there any nuances, any particular kind of bad?
You are failing to communicate.
ppl don’t need to die, that’s wrong.
that’s the part where you give an argument.
“torture” has an English meaning separate from emotional impact. you already know what it is. if you wanted to have a productive conversation you’d do things like ask for examples or give an example and ask if i mean that.
you don’t seem to be aware that you’re reading a summary essay and there’s a lot more material, details, etc. you aren’t treating it that way. and i don’t think you want references to a lot more reading.
to begin with, are you aware of many common ways force is initiated against children?
And yet everyone dies.
Nope, that’s true only if I want to engage in this discussion and I don’t. Been there, done that, waiting for the t-shirt.
Yes. Using that meaning, the sentence “I mean psychological “torture” literally” is false. Or did you mean something by these scare quotes?
LOL. Now, if you wanted to have a productive conversation you would have defined your terms. See how easy it is? :-D
Oh, I am.
Of course. So?
i don’t suppose you or anyone else wrote down your reasoning. (this is the part where either you provide no references, or you provide one that i have a refutation of, and then you don’t respond to the problems with your reference. to save time, let’s just skip ahead and agree that you’re unserious, ignorant, and mistaken.)
i disagree that it’s false. you aren’t giving an argument.
well if you don’t want to talk about it, then i guess you can continue your life of sin.
Correct! :-)
This is false under my understanding of the standard English usage of the word “torture”.
Woohoo! Life of sin! Bring on the seven deadlies!!