Thanks for the edit, but I’m still uncomfortable in pointing out that people often act in immoral and harmful ways, and extending that to a principle of “what people care about” without recognizing the complexity of decision-making and the balance of motives that include factors of public image, peer-group reaction, self-image, and intellectual morality.
Agree because morality doesn’t refer to a single level of abstraction. I don’t necessarily hold people responsible for when their decision theory doesn’t reach all the way up to platonic forms of cooperation because most people haven’t had that modeled for them such that they can do it. More colloquially, people lie because they are afraid. They are afraid because their ability to meet their basic needs feels fragile. This feeling of fragility is only loosely entangled with reality and much more entangled with a limited range of strategies they know about.
If I may, I agree with this through an idea in the vein of “Humans Are Not Automatically Strategic”. Seeing someone do something that runs counter to their goals isn’t proof they don’t have those goals; often it’s simply a demonstration that you have to do a lot of things correctly to win.
Thanks for the edit, but I’m still uncomfortable in pointing out that people often act in immoral and harmful ways, and extending that to a principle of “what people care about” without recognizing the complexity of decision-making and the balance of motives that include factors of public image, peer-group reaction, self-image, and intellectual morality.
Agree because morality doesn’t refer to a single level of abstraction. I don’t necessarily hold people responsible for when their decision theory doesn’t reach all the way up to platonic forms of cooperation because most people haven’t had that modeled for them such that they can do it. More colloquially, people lie because they are afraid. They are afraid because their ability to meet their basic needs feels fragile. This feeling of fragility is only loosely entangled with reality and much more entangled with a limited range of strategies they know about.
If I may, I agree with this through an idea in the vein of “Humans Are Not Automatically Strategic”. Seeing someone do something that runs counter to their goals isn’t proof they don’t have those goals; often it’s simply a demonstration that you have to do a lot of things correctly to win.