Well, the fact that these laws were only passed very recently suggests that it is you who is out of step with the psychological unity.
I was relying on the framing; obviously I wouldn’t expect people to respond the same way in literally any context. (You’re right, I didn’t make that clear.)
The context appears to be a moral panic about rape that among other things argues for despising with due process for accused rapists, and that if two drunk people have sex and regret it later this means the man raped the woman. So no, the law today is not in fact valid evidence.
Hmm. It is true that rapists are demonized, and this is sometimes extended past edge cases—but obviously, you are yourself relying on the fact that this is obvious nonsense to most people for your rhetorical point.
This seems more akin to similar affects that spring up around other major crimes—not that that makes it rational, of course, or implies that the laws genuinely have greater expected utility than their inverse.
I have no idea how to interpret this even semi-charitably. To me this translates to “I was relying on dark arts”.
It is true that rapists are demonized, and this is sometimes extended past edge cases—but obviously, you are yourself relying on the fact that this is obvious nonsense to most people for your rhetorical point.
I was relying/hoping that you weren’t sufficiently caught up in the panic to no longer recognize this as obvious nonsense. My point that relying on laws that have only been passed in the previous decade, especially given that there’s a moral panic involved, to be highly dubious.
This seems more akin to similar affects that spring up around other major crimes
Yes, similar effects have sprung up around other major crimes in the past. However, I believe that rapists is the moral panic du jour.
I have no idea how to interpret this even semi-charitably.
It’s less likely that someone will ignore facts that have been recently brought to their attention. You’re right, I wasn’t quite sure what word to use there, I may have screwed up.
you are yourself relying on the fact that this is obvious nonsense to most people for your rhetorical point.
I was relying/hoping that you weren’t sufficiently caught up in the panic to no longer recognize this as obvious nonsense.
With respect, have you ever said that to someone and had them respond “Well yeah, sure! Of course women can retroactively make anyone they’ve ever had sex with a rapist.”
I’m sure you’ve seen people endorse equivalent conclusions via deceptive wording, but the general response I would predict from all but a very small core would be “we don’t believe that!”
This seems more akin to similar affects that spring up around other major crimes
Yes, similar effects have sprung up around other major crimes in the past. However, I believe that rapists is the moral panic du jour.
Hmm, perhaps. I would have gone for pedophiles myself (a term already spreading to include all creepily large age gaps, by the way), but this isn’t really a contest.
I was relying on the framing; obviously I wouldn’t expect people to respond the same way in literally any context. (You’re right, I didn’t make that clear.)
Hmm. It is true that rapists are demonized, and this is sometimes extended past edge cases—but obviously, you are yourself relying on the fact that this is obvious nonsense to most people for your rhetorical point.
This seems more akin to similar affects that spring up around other major crimes—not that that makes it rational, of course, or implies that the laws genuinely have greater expected utility than their inverse.
I have no idea how to interpret this even semi-charitably. To me this translates to “I was relying on dark arts”.
I was relying/hoping that you weren’t sufficiently caught up in the panic to no longer recognize this as obvious nonsense. My point that relying on laws that have only been passed in the previous decade, especially given that there’s a moral panic involved, to be highly dubious.
Yes, similar effects have sprung up around other major crimes in the past. However, I believe that rapists is the moral panic du jour.
It’s less likely that someone will ignore facts that have been recently brought to their attention. You’re right, I wasn’t quite sure what word to use there, I may have screwed up.
With respect, have you ever said that to someone and had them respond “Well yeah, sure! Of course women can retroactively make anyone they’ve ever had sex with a rapist.”
I’m sure you’ve seen people endorse equivalent conclusions via deceptive wording, but the general response I would predict from all but a very small core would be “we don’t believe that!”
Hmm, perhaps. I would have gone for pedophiles myself (a term already spreading to include all creepily large age gaps, by the way), but this isn’t really a contest.