Any sufficiently advanced karma-whoring is indistinguishable from a useful comment. I personally don’t care for karma, but I maintain that I regret the post for wasting people’s time.
I don’t believe there are any real karma-whores on Less Wrong. I’m detailing my beliefs here in an attempt to accurately signal my ability to think about things; I presume it follows that anyone who can think for more than four seconds shouldn’t actually continue to gain pleasure from getting karma for stupid comments. I attempt to signal this because I would not myself wish to learn of the existence of karma-whores on Less Wrong and assume you are the same.
Note the (tenuous) irony; I predicted such criticisms of the post as I wrote it! I hoped people would enjoy reading it; not make conclusions about karma-whoring, which would be bad because I do not gain anything by learning that I have made the readers of Less Wrong unhappy. I do further wonder how many up- or down-votes the first N predictions unaccompanied would have garnered, but I won’t tempt fate by doing trials.
Any sufficiently advanced karma-whoring is indistinguishable from a useful comment. I personally don’t care for karma, but I maintain that I regret the post for wasting people’s time.
Upvoted for indistinguishable insight. Downvoted for the overused and inaccurate “don’t care about karma” signal. Downvoted 7 other comments by you at random because you don’t care and I’m in an arbitrary mood. :)
I also downvoted Normal’s comment because the “karma-whoring” comment was glaringly inaccurate.
I care about antagonising people and wasting their time, so naturally I pay attention to karma as it’s a reliable signal ;) But of itself it’s pretty useless; given the chance, I wouldn’t choose to press a button that bestowed 1000 magical karma points on my account.
Any sufficiently advanced karma-whoring is indistinguishable from a useful comment. I personally don’t care for karma, but I maintain that I regret the post for wasting people’s time.
It was an interesting idea. I approve of this kind of meta-comment in general; I just don’t want it to become a bigger part of the comment pool and/or a way of accumulating karma. I do care about the karma system because I think it’s useful to know what intelligent people think of me (and I get a fuzzy feeling from positive reinforcement).
I don’t believe there are any real karma-whores on Less Wrong. I’m detailing my beliefs here in an attempt to accurately signal my ability to think about things; I presume it follows that anyone who can think for more than four seconds shouldn’t actually continue to gain pleasure from getting karma for stupid comments. I attempt to signal this because I would not myself wish to learn of the existence of karma-whores on Less Wrong and assume you are the same.
You assume correctly. I hope there aren’t any real karma whores either. I don’t really think of you as one, just of that sort of comment as the sort of thing a karma whore would do.
Note the (tenuous) irony; I predicted such criticisms of the post as I wrote it! I hoped people would enjoy reading it; not make conclusions about karma-whoring, which would be bad because I do not gain anything by learning that I have made the readers of Less Wrong unhappy. I do further wonder how many up- or down-votes the first N predictions unaccompanied would have garnered, but I won’t tempt fate by doing trials.
I did enjoy reading it, to a limited extent. That and the insightful, useful nature of the parent make this interaction a net gain for me. In conclusion, I upvoted the parent.
Yes, I do agree that getting karma for pleasing but unproductive comments lessens the utility of karma; should be more of a costly signal for a individual’s utility to the community, where the criterion of upvote-selection is important (i.e. ‘propagates rationality’ is presumably most desirable). Upvotes for cheap jokes dampens the signal.
Downvoted to disincentivize this type of thing; it strikes me as karma-whoring.
Any sufficiently advanced karma-whoring is indistinguishable from a useful comment. I personally don’t care for karma, but I maintain that I regret the post for wasting people’s time.
I don’t believe there are any real karma-whores on Less Wrong. I’m detailing my beliefs here in an attempt to accurately signal my ability to think about things; I presume it follows that anyone who can think for more than four seconds shouldn’t actually continue to gain pleasure from getting karma for stupid comments. I attempt to signal this because I would not myself wish to learn of the existence of karma-whores on Less Wrong and assume you are the same.
Note the (tenuous) irony; I predicted such criticisms of the post as I wrote it! I hoped people would enjoy reading it; not make conclusions about karma-whoring, which would be bad because I do not gain anything by learning that I have made the readers of Less Wrong unhappy. I do further wonder how many up- or down-votes the first N predictions unaccompanied would have garnered, but I won’t tempt fate by doing trials.
Upvoted for indistinguishable insight. Downvoted for the overused and inaccurate “don’t care about karma” signal. Downvoted 7 other comments by you at random because you don’t care and I’m in an arbitrary mood. :)
I also downvoted Normal’s comment because the “karma-whoring” comment was glaringly inaccurate.
I care about antagonising people and wasting their time, so naturally I pay attention to karma as it’s a reliable signal ;) But of itself it’s pretty useless; given the chance, I wouldn’t choose to press a button that bestowed 1000 magical karma points on my account.
You’d pass up the chance to study ontologically fundamental mental entities?!
That is the price of such an intense desire to signal one’s apathy toward karma! :P My loss, I suppose!
P.S. Luminosity + Radiance rules!
It was an interesting idea. I approve of this kind of meta-comment in general; I just don’t want it to become a bigger part of the comment pool and/or a way of accumulating karma. I do care about the karma system because I think it’s useful to know what intelligent people think of me (and I get a fuzzy feeling from positive reinforcement).
You assume correctly. I hope there aren’t any real karma whores either. I don’t really think of you as one, just of that sort of comment as the sort of thing a karma whore would do.
I did enjoy reading it, to a limited extent. That and the insightful, useful nature of the parent make this interaction a net gain for me. In conclusion, I upvoted the parent.
Huzzah!
Yes, I do agree that getting karma for pleasing but unproductive comments lessens the utility of karma; should be more of a costly signal for a individual’s utility to the community, where the criterion of upvote-selection is important (i.e. ‘propagates rationality’ is presumably most desirable). Upvotes for cheap jokes dampens the signal.