You’re right, not all cognitivists are anti-realists. But some are, including Eliezer.
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If you ask him whether he’s a moral realist, he’ll say yes, but if you ask him for a self-description, he’ll say cognitivist which is often grouped against realism. Moreover, if asked for detail, he’ll say that he’s an anti-realist.
These quotes did not exactly express to me that you don’t know to what extent his views or realist or anti-realist. I’m sorry if I was targeting you instead of Eliezer… but you were agreeing with his confusing equivocation.
Similarly, he avoids “moral subjectivism” and uses terms like “subjectively objective.”
Ah yes, the old eschewing the well-recognized, well-explored terminology for an oxymoronic neologism. How could anyone get confused?
You sure you’re not trying to force me to use jargon I don’t like? I don’t know what else to call responding to new jargon with sarcasm.
At the very least, you seem to be demanding that we confuse laymen so that philosophers can understand. I happen to believe that philosophers won’t understand, either.
No, the right answer isn’t to say “I don’t know if he is a realist.” Actually, I do think it would be better to reject the question of realism than to equivocate, but I suspect Eliezer has tried this and found that people don’t accept it.
At the very least, you seem to be demanding that we confuse laymen so that philosophers can understand. I happen to believe that philosophers won’t understand, either.
As far as I can tell, no one understands. But I don’t see how my suggestion, which involves reading maybe 2 encyclopedia articles to pick up jargon, would confuse laymen especially.
No, the right answer isn’t to say “I don’t know if he is a realist.”
Right, it’s just you explicitly called him an anti-realist. And he apparently calls himself both? You can see how I could get confused.
Actually, I do think it would be better to reject the question of realism than to equivocate, but I suspect Eliezer has tried this and found that people don’t accept it.
Do people accept equivocation? I’d be fine with rejecting the question of realism so long as it was accompanied by an explanation of how it was a wrong question.
You sure you’re not trying to force me to use jargon I don’t like? I don’t know what else to call responding to new jargon with sarcasm.
Just expressing my opinion re: design principles in the construction of jargon. I know I’ve been snippy with you, apologies, I haven’t had enough sleep.
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These quotes did not exactly express to me that you don’t know to what extent his views or realist or anti-realist. I’m sorry if I was targeting you instead of Eliezer… but you were agreeing with his confusing equivocation.
Ah yes, the old eschewing the well-recognized, well-explored terminology for an oxymoronic neologism. How could anyone get confused?
You sure you’re not trying to force me to use jargon I don’t like? I don’t know what else to call responding to new jargon with sarcasm.
At the very least, you seem to be demanding that we confuse laymen so that philosophers can understand. I happen to believe that philosophers won’t understand, either.
No, the right answer isn’t to say “I don’t know if he is a realist.” Actually, I do think it would be better to reject the question of realism than to equivocate, but I suspect Eliezer has tried this and found that people don’t accept it.
As far as I can tell, no one understands. But I don’t see how my suggestion, which involves reading maybe 2 encyclopedia articles to pick up jargon, would confuse laymen especially.
Right, it’s just you explicitly called him an anti-realist. And he apparently calls himself both? You can see how I could get confused.
Do people accept equivocation? I’d be fine with rejecting the question of realism so long as it was accompanied by an explanation of how it was a wrong question.
Just expressing my opinion re: design principles in the construction of jargon. I know I’ve been snippy with you, apologies, I haven’t had enough sleep.