Alcohol is also a drug. If Dalrymple really means “drugs” when he says “drugs”, it would follow that he’s advocating for prohibition to protect alcoholics from themselves.
We seem to have found a relatively tolerable equilibrium around alcohol where the substance is widely available, the majority of individuals who can enjoy it recreationally are free to do so, and yet it’s legally just as intolerable for an intoxicated person to harm others as it would be for a sober person to take the same actions. Some individuals have addiction problems, and we have varyingly effective programs in place to help them deal with that, but ultimately the right of the majority to enjoy it responsibly (and the rights of the businesses to sell it to those who can use it responsibly) trump the “rights” of the minority to be protected from themselves by the government.
Maybe to get the same equilibrium around other drugs, we would need harsher punishments for the antisocial behaviors that we’re actually trying to prevent by banning the drugs themselves. All I know is that anyone who unironically makes “ban the intoxicants” claims without considering what we can learn from our most widely accepted and normalized intoxicants is speaking on some level other than the literal and logical.
and yet it’s legally just as intolerable for an intoxicated person to harm others as it would be for a sober person to take the same actions
Even America hasn’t been able to solve drug abuse with negative consequences. My hope is mainly on GLP-1 agonists (or other treatments) proving super-effective against chemical dependence, and increasing their supply and quality over time.
I’m not claiming that we’ve solved any substance abuse! I’m claiming that you and Dalrymple appear to be ignoring the potential lessons we can learn from the equilibrium that society has reached with the most widely used and abused modern intoxicant. The equilibrium doesn’t have to be perfect, nor to solve every problem, in order to be a relatively stable and well-tolerated compromise between allowing individual freedom and punishing misbehavior.
Stable is not a virtue, nor is our equilibrium well-tolerated. The problems it causes in terms of health, cost and homelessness are central political issues and have been for a long time.
I also have no idea why you assume I’m “ignoring” these “lessons” you’re handwaving at. It’s a pretty annoying rhetorical move.
Alcohol is also a drug. If Dalrymple really means “drugs” when he says “drugs”, it would follow that he’s advocating for prohibition to protect alcoholics from themselves.
We seem to have found a relatively tolerable equilibrium around alcohol where the substance is widely available, the majority of individuals who can enjoy it recreationally are free to do so, and yet it’s legally just as intolerable for an intoxicated person to harm others as it would be for a sober person to take the same actions. Some individuals have addiction problems, and we have varyingly effective programs in place to help them deal with that, but ultimately the right of the majority to enjoy it responsibly (and the rights of the businesses to sell it to those who can use it responsibly) trump the “rights” of the minority to be protected from themselves by the government.
Maybe to get the same equilibrium around other drugs, we would need harsher punishments for the antisocial behaviors that we’re actually trying to prevent by banning the drugs themselves. All I know is that anyone who unironically makes “ban the intoxicants” claims without considering what we can learn from our most widely accepted and normalized intoxicants is speaking on some level other than the literal and logical.
Even America hasn’t been able to solve drug abuse with negative consequences. My hope is mainly on GLP-1 agonists (or other treatments) proving super-effective against chemical dependence, and increasing their supply and quality over time.
I’m not claiming that we’ve solved any substance abuse! I’m claiming that you and Dalrymple appear to be ignoring the potential lessons we can learn from the equilibrium that society has reached with the most widely used and abused modern intoxicant. The equilibrium doesn’t have to be perfect, nor to solve every problem, in order to be a relatively stable and well-tolerated compromise between allowing individual freedom and punishing misbehavior.
Stable is not a virtue, nor is our equilibrium well-tolerated. The problems it causes in terms of health, cost and homelessness are central political issues and have been for a long time.
I also have no idea why you assume I’m “ignoring” these “lessons” you’re handwaving at. It’s a pretty annoying rhetorical move.